This is off-topic but since so many mathematicians love music I thought some of you might be able to provide useful leads: Is there anything like an Online Encyclopedia of Chord Progressions and/or a forum for "recreational musicology"? Of course, trying to list occurrences of IV - V - I in Western music would be as impossible as listing occurrences of 1,3,5,7,9,... in the mathematical literature, but less common chord progressions might be trackable. For instance, if you listen to the "Blazing Saddles" theme ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRmp-O496Y ; 00:41-00:42 and elsewhere) and the "Big Country" theme (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQTH3a0mjR8 ; 00:04-00:05 and 00:44-00:45 and elsewhere) you'll hear an C-major chord going to an A-major chord with a suspended E in the melody (before the song goes back to the D major tonic). How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it? Jim Propp
On a related topic, is there a compendium of off-beat compendia? The OEIS (and my hypothetical OECP) would probably strike most of the world's population as strange. (Of course, "strange" and "off-beat" are subjective notions.) Three of my favorite off-beat compendia are "The Canonical List of Fulldeckisms" (http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.htm <http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.html> ), "TV tropes" ( http://tvtropes.org/), and "Kids in Mind" (http://www.kids-in-mind.com/). The last of these is almost scary: the idea of people watching movies and logging what they see at such a microscopic level -- people with the patience and persistence to do that -- puts me in mind of Jack in "The Shining" filling up page after page with the same sentence typed over and over with varying punctuation. Jim Propp On Tuesday, March 14, 2017, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
This is off-topic but since so many mathematicians love music I thought some of you might be able to provide useful leads: Is there anything like an Online Encyclopedia of Chord Progressions and/or a forum for "recreational musicology"?
Of course, trying to list occurrences of IV - V - I in Western music would be as impossible as listing occurrences of 1,3,5,7,9,... in the mathematical literature, but less common chord progressions might be trackable. For instance, if you listen to the "Blazing Saddles" theme ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRmp-O496Y ; 00:41-00:42 and elsewhere) and the "Big Country" theme (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQTH3a0mjR8 ; 00:04-00:05 and 00:44-00:45 and elsewhere) you'll hear an C-major chord going to an A-major chord with a suspended E in the melody (before the song goes back to the D major tonic). How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
Jim Propp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
On a related topic, is there a compendium of off-beat compendia? The OEIS (and my hypothetical OECP) would probably strike most of the world's population as strange. (Of course, "strange" and "off-beat" are subjective notions.)
Three of my favorite off-beat compendia are "The Canonical List of Fulldeckisms" (http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.htm <http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.html> ), "TV tropes" ( http://tvtropes.org/), and "Kids in Mind" (http://www.kids-in-mind.com/). The last of these is almost scary: the idea of people watching movies and logging what they see at such a microscopic level -- people with the patience and persistence to do that -- puts me in mind of Jack in "The Shining" filling up page after page with the same sentence typed over and over with varying punctuation.
Jim Propp
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
This is off-topic but since so many mathematicians love music I thought some of you might be able to provide useful leads: Is there anything like an Online Encyclopedia of Chord Progressions and/or a forum for "recreational musicology"?
Of course, trying to list occurrences of IV - V - I in Western music would be as impossible as listing occurrences of 1,3,5,7,9,... in the mathematical literature, but less common chord progressions might be trackable. For instance, if you listen to the "Blazing Saddles" theme ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRmp-O496Y ; 00:41-00:42 and elsewhere) and the "Big Country" theme (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQTH3a0mjR8 ; 00:04-00:05 and 00:44-00:45 and elsewhere) you'll hear an C-major chord going to an A-major chord with a suspended E in the melody (before the song goes back to the D major tonic). How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
Jim Propp
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That was fun; thanks, Andy! Jim On Tuesday, March 14, 2017, Andy Latto <andy.latto@pobox.com> wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:05 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
On a related topic, is there a compendium of off-beat compendia? The OEIS (and my hypothetical OECP) would probably strike most of the world's population as strange. (Of course, "strange" and "off-beat" are subjective notions.)
Three of my favorite off-beat compendia are "The Canonical List of Fulldeckisms" (http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.htm <http://herbison.com/canon/fulldeck.html> ), "TV tropes" ( http://tvtropes.org/), and "Kids in Mind" (http://www.kids-in-mind.com/) . The last of these is almost scary: the idea of people watching movies and logging what they see at such a microscopic level -- people with the patience and persistence to do that -- puts me in mind of Jack in "The Shining" filling up page after page with the same sentence typed over and over with varying punctuation.
Jim Propp
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
This is off-topic but since so many mathematicians love music I thought some of you might be able to provide useful leads: Is there anything like an Online Encyclopedia of Chord Progressions and/or a forum for "recreational musicology"?
Of course, trying to list occurrences of IV - V - I in Western music would be as impossible as listing occurrences of 1,3,5,7,9,... in the mathematical literature, but less common chord progressions might be trackable. For instance, if you listen to the "Blazing Saddles" theme ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRmp-O496Y ; 00:41-00:42 and elsewhere) and the "Big Country" theme (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQTH3a0mjR8 ; 00:04-00:05 and 00:44-00:45 and elsewhere) you'll hear an C-major chord going to an A-major chord with a suspended E in the melody (before the song goes back to the D major tonic). How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
Jim Propp
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The Hooktheory website claims to have a database of chord progressions for many songs: https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/common-chord-progressions Cheers, Seb On 14 March 2017 at 16:54, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
This is off-topic but since so many mathematicians love music I thought some of you might be able to provide useful leads: Is there anything like an Online Encyclopedia of Chord Progressions and/or a forum for "recreational musicology"?
Of course, trying to list occurrences of IV - V - I in Western music would be as impossible as listing occurrences of 1,3,5,7,9,... in the mathematical literature, but less common chord progressions might be trackable. For instance, if you listen to the "Blazing Saddles" theme ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzRmp-O496Y ; 00:41-00:42 and elsewhere) and the "Big Country" theme (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQTH3a0mjR8 ; 00:04-00:05 and 00:44-00:45 and elsewhere) you'll hear an C-major chord going to an A-major chord with a suspended E in the melody (before the song goes back to the D major tonic). How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:54 AM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote: How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy
movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
I haven't found it, but I think this might come from somewhere in either Rodeo or Billy the Kid: I think Copland shaped our notion of what sounds "American West" in music. Andy
I'm not sure what Jim is referring to exactly, but generally music played in Dorian modes sounds dark and foreboding generally speaking. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly finale (including the three-person "truel" scene at the end) has plenty of canonical examples in D minor (really, more specifically, dorian mode in D; ie, simply stay on the white keys only from d to d to play that scale). It's not melodic minor and has that flatted VII, for example. On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Andy Latto <andy.latto@pobox.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:54 AM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
How did VII-flat - V - I become a cowboy
movie cliche? Does it trace back to actual cowboy music, or is it purely a Hollywood creation? And what are the antecedents in classical music? There may be a fun story here, but how would one search the internet to find it?
I haven't found it, but I think this might come from somewhere in either Rodeo or Billy the Kid: I think Copland shaped our notion of what sounds "American West" in music.
Andy
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