Re: [math-fun] Algebra I (RiP)
Michael wrote: << How do people feel about this construction, in which you use the phrase "five times less" to colloquially mean what a formal description would have to call "one fifth as much" or the like? This came up on a blog I read, in which commenters seemed about equally divided between "This is just fine, it's completely obvious what the construction means" and "that's literally meaningless, no reasonable person should produce such a statement." At the time I wondered what the breakdown would be among a mathematician audience, and this seems like a chance to find out.
I feel this is just fine in colloquial writing, and not at all good in a formal report (e.g., a newspaper article). This is because newspaper articles et al. are well known for royally screwing up clarity in such matters. (They will commonly use a phrase like "150% more" whether they mean 3/2 as much or half again as much.) (Michael: This wasn't by any chance Mark Liberman's Language Log", < http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/ >, was it?) --Dan
Dan Asimov wrote:
This came up on a blog I read[...]
(Michael: This wasn't by any chance Mark Liberman's Language Log", < http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/ >, was it?)
The discussion started when Eugene Volokh mentioned "the violent crime rate in Canada is 10 times lower than in the United States" in a piece on Slate -- WARNING this statistic is unsupported, which was the point he was making, please do not quote it! -- and it was debated on The Volokh Conspiracy. http://www.slate.com/id/2143251/ http://www.volokh.com/posts/1150829292.shtml http://www.volokh.com/posts/1150922917.shtml That third link has an excerpt from Webster's Dictionary of English Usage which argues in support of "times less", even in formal writing, explicitly raising the claim that the construction may not make sense mathematically, but it does linguistically. --Michael Kleber -- It is very dark and after 2000. If you continue you are likely to be eaten by a bleen.
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