hihi, all - i was at darpatech last month i believe, and i saw that list of ``math'' problems - i decided that most of them are modeling problems, not exactly mathematics, and i noticed that the ``real' math problems had next to no description i thought the list was pretentious but it is right in line with some of the bad things happening there, that i hope will change also, separately, i don't see why math is in nsf's purview, not darpa's - when my colleague was there (93-97), there were severl good math projects, mostly with specific application aras, and there are still some applied math study areas that require good theoretical advances before much will come of them mroe later, cal Chris Landauer Aerospace Integration Science Center The Aerospace Corporation cal@aero.org