Target is selling a game called Toss Up. It comes with 10 identical 6-sided dice and a rulebook. Each die has 3 green faces, 2 yellow faces, and 1 red face. http://www.areyougame.com/Interact/item.asp?itemno=PA7367 On a player's turn, he starts by rolling all 10 dice. Dice that come up as green are added to the player's score, one point per die, and are put aside. The player then has the option to roll again with the remaining dice. If at least one is green, all the just-rolled greens are then put aside, he gets that many more points, and he has the option to roll again, etc. If ever the player fails to roll a green and also has at least one red, he is bankrupted. His total accumulated score becomes zero and all the dice are passed to the next player. If alternatively he manages to score ten points, he gets to start over with all ten again. Finally, a player can also decide to stop at any time, passing the dice on to the next player at any point. Whoever is the first to score 100 points wins. In a two person game, it's presumably got to be advantageous to be the first to roll. But suppose the second player is given a "fair" initial positive score X (ie, a komi) to compensate for that. What is X? -- Thane Plambeck tplambeck@gmail.com http://www.plambeck.org/ehome.htm