I hear, from someone who has recently spoken to Karl Bartos' other half, that the concerts announced on this list are NOT going to happen. A phone call or two to the venues seem to confirm that. October is more than likely (at this moment in time) to be when Karl plays in the UK. Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk
Hello John, Due to problems concerning to the unproperly use of "Kraftwerk" brand in the announcing of your shows, Karl Bartos had to cancel all your shows at USA. As you know, these shows were announced like Kraftwerk, or with the outstanding word Kraftwerk. Of course Bartos have all the rights to plays the Kraftwerk musics which he composed, but at his last concerts he (or the producers) was using the brand Kraftwerk unproperly. I think that the release of his new album "Communication" in the same time of "Tour de France Soundtracks" it's not a mere coincidence...he's surfing the Kraftwerk's wave... Marcelo Duarte Brasil JS> I hear, from someone who has recently spoken to Karl Bartos' other half, JS> that the concerts announced on this list are NOT going to happen. A phone JS> call or two to the venues seem to confirm that. JS> October is more than likely (at this moment in time) to be when Karl plays JS> in the UK. JS> Keep Werking JS> John JS> www.keepwerking.co.uk JS> _______________________________________________ JS> Kraftwerk mailing list JS> Kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com JS> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk
DJM schrieb am 29.08.2003 17:29 Uhr:
From: "Electram" <electram@terra.com.br> To: <kraftwerk@mailman.xmission.com>
Of course Bartos have all the rights to plays the Kraftwerk musics which he composed, but at his...
But he played "Trans-Europe Express" which is not co-composed by him!
It doesn't matter whether he co-composed TEE or not. Every musician in the world has the right to play any music there is in the world. J.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de>
It doesn't matter whether he co-composed TEE or not. Every musician in the world has the right to play any music there is in the world.
If you are talking about public performances, your statement is simply not true. The "right" to publicly release or perform someone else's composition is regulated by treaties and copyright agreements in which fees must be paid to the original composer. This is pretty much a standard procedure where you fill out a form and pay a fee, but the original owner can refuse such use and excempt his work from these standard procedures. glenn
Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) schrieb am 29.08.2003 19:51 Uhr:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de>
It doesn't matter whether he co-composed TEE or not. Every musician in the world has the right to play any music there is in the world.
If you are talking about public performances, your statement is simply not true.
The "right" to publicly release or perform someone else's composition is regulated by treaties and copyright agreements in which fees must be paid to the original composer. This is pretty much a standard procedure where you fill out a form and pay a fee, but the original owner can refuse such use and excempt his work from these standard procedures.
Well, my copy of the latest edition of Krasilovsky/Shemel is lying on my desk, but let's not make it more complicated than necessary ... ;-) To be korrekt: It depends. If the composer is the owner of the performing rights, you are right. But if he gives the rights to a publishing company (which he normally does) or his work is copyright controlled by ASCAP, GEMA, SACEM etc., he has nearly no chance to stop unwelcome cover versions or live performances of his composition. If a composition is once published, any musician is allowed to perform it on stage or record without any special permission of the composer; at least in most European countries. Off cause he has to be aware that there's a copyright existing. Only if the music is performed so bad that it makes the composer look ridiculous, the composer may try to stop further performances. But the burden of proof lies with him then, this at least is the German legal status (I don't know about the legal positions all over the world). Kraftwerk are their own publishing house (Kling Klang Musikverlag), but I think even they won't be lucky when trying to stop Karl's performances of their music. Jan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de>
To be korrekt: It depends. If the composer is the owner of the performing rights, you are right.
When I used the word "composer" I could have added "or other owner of the music" but tried to make it less complicated.
But if he gives the rights to a publishing company (which he normally does) or his work is copyright controlled by ASCAP, GEMA, SACEM etc., he has nearly no chance to stop unwelcome cover versions or live performances of his composition.
The chance is there, however small.
If a composition is once published, any musician is allowed to perform it on stage or record without any special permission of the composer; at least in most European countries.
"Allowed" as long as the proper fees are paid. The "permission" is given by the composer/owner indirectly when the song is published through a publisher. But we are getting awfully technical here.
Off cause he has to be aware that there's a copyright existing.
It is not just something that exists, but it must be acted in accordance to. glenn
But he played "Trans-Europe Express" which is not co-composed by him!
The October issue of the German magazine "Keys" features an interview with Karl Bartos, in which he states that he did contribute to the compositions on the "Trans Europe Express" album, but hasn't received credits for his work on the album sleeve. Although his wording is not absolutely clear, he seems to imply that he generally did most of the composition work for Kraftwerk. Quote: "So it is if you work in a team. 'Yesterday' was also credited to Lennon/McCartney, although it is a McCartney song". And when he was asked if there is a conflict with the remaining Kraftwerk members, he replied "If the metaphor 'due to artistic differences' is used, the actual reason is always money - in every band in the world". Klaus Zaepke
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