Re: [Kraftwerk] Karl Bartos and Karlheinz Stockhausen in Stockhol m
Karlheinz Stockhausen must be one of must boring musicians (if we can call him that) on this planet. Yeah, he received some fancy prizes and stuff like that, but I dare any of you to listen to any of his recordings non stop. Chances are you'll feel tempted to press forward a few times and then the stop / eject button so you can then take it straight back to that second hand store you got it from and trade it for something a bit more melodic (just about anything in store will do). What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap, sort of what Aphex Twin and Autechre do from time to time, with the only difference that Aphex and Autechre did in fact recorded several ear candy tunes which I love deeply. Actually early Kraftwerk also falls into that category (noise crap with a few exceptions). Anyway... TGIF Enrique
Enrique Correa wrote:
Karlheinz Stockhausen must be one of must boring musicians (if we can call him that) on this planet. Yeah, he received some fancy prizes and stuff like that, but I dare any of you to listen to any of his recordings non stop.
It's just the way it works with famous artists/composers: their image and their stature seldom is about their music only. Stockhausen is one of those de facto "great" people: interesting, artistic, difficult, ... Not all music is there to ENJOY, at least not for the general public. But at least he's a source of ideas and inspiration for other people. He got things done, got funds together for equipment and (a) studio(s) (at WDR in Cologne?) so other people got to learn. And still! See his home page, at 70 he's a rather active fellow, still getting things DONE! http://www.stockhausen.org/ Rick Jansen __ rja@euronet.nl http://www.euronet.nl/~rja ____________________________________________ S&H's a module and s&h's looking good
What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap, sort of what Aphex Twin and Autechre do from time to time, with the only difference that Aphex and Autechre did in fact recorded several ear candy tunes which I love deeply. Actually early Kraftwerk also falls into that category (noise crap with a few exceptions).
That's what's so nice about this list: the wide spectrum of members and opinions - I like early Kraftwerk and ALL Stockhausen recordings. They may be noisy, but does noise automatically mean crap?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Enrique Correa" <ENRIQUEC@heraeusmtd.com>
Chances are you'll feel tempted to press forward a few times and then the stop / eject button so you can then take it straight back to that second hand store you got it from and trade it for something a bit more melodic (just about anything in store will do).
I actually think "Gesang der Jünglinge" is quite enjoyable but for most of his other stuff, I'm tempted to agree. More to be appreciated for its pioneering aspect rather than the musical content, maybe? Erik
Erik Jälevik schrieb am 04.05.2002 13:15 Uhr MESZ:
I actually think "Gesang der Jünglinge" is quite enjoyable but for most of his other stuff, I'm tempted to agree. More to be appreciated for its pioneering aspect rather than the musical content, maybe?
depends! if you are looking for something you know already, then Stockhausen is no good destination to travel. but if you are interested to to take a trip through uncharted musical landscapes, then even the oldest Stockhausen recordings are still an adventure. yes, maybe that's hard work. but KONTAKTE, HYMNEN, GESANG DER JUENGLINGE, GRUPPEN and INORI are still worth the effort. and, btw, *comparisons* between Kraftwerk and Stockhausen are ridiculous. it's like comparing the Beatles with Brahms. jan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lord Ruthven" <dasfestistzuendeaus@yahoo.de>
depends! if you are looking for something you know already, then Stockhausen is no good destination to travel. but if you are interested to to take a trip through uncharted musical landscapes, then even the oldest Stockhausen recordings are still an adventure.
So what's the kind of enjoyment to be had from listening to things like Stockhausen? For me, music is about aural pleasure (however you define that), but I assume you need to have a different mindset to get anything out of something like "Gruppen". Is it a sort of intellectual enjoyment or what would you say the reward is when listening to it? It's not exactly like the hairs on the back of your neck are going to stand on end, is it? :)
the effort. and, btw, *comparisons* between Kraftwerk and Stockhausen are ridiculous. it's like comparing the Beatles with Brahms.
Agreed. Just as comparisons between Stockhausen and techno/electronica what have you are ridiculous. Erik BTW, Varese's "Poème electronique" is a very fine piece of classical electronica.
Erik Jälevik schrieb am 04.05.2002 15:11 Uhr MESZ:
So what's the kind of enjoyment to be had from listening to things like Stockhausen? For me, music is about aural pleasure (however you define that), but I assume you need to have a different mindset to get anything out of something like "Gruppen". Is it a sort of intellectual enjoyment or what would you say the reward is when listening to it? It's not exactly like the hairs on the back of your neck are going to stand on end, is it? :)
Sometimes it's *exactly* that, believe it or not! Esp. when listening to KONTAKTE or HYMNEN, which is a colourful trip through overwhelming sound landscapes. Okay, GRUPPEN is not what I would call "easy listening" (and BTW, it's an orchestral piece, no electronics in it), but have you ever realized the way the three orchestras are producing rotating sounds? For me GRUPPEN was the first time I experienced that spatial movement of sound can be *part* of a composition. Call it intellectual enjoyment, but it was an enjoyment! It's not my intention to play different musical styles against each other. I'm listening to many different musics, Kraftwerk as well as Brahms as well as Perotin as well as Beethoven as well as Miles Davis as well as Nino Rota as well as ... yeah, the meanwhile about 370 Joe Meek tracks I own. Sometimes you have to climb for a long time to broaden your mind. But you're rewarded in seeing new horizons which cannot be seen the easy way. jan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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