damned right , mate , because if u mess with me , u simply have to face the consequences , fellows !!! *hehehe* ;-)))

Like, you leaving the list again? ;) [-g-]

a friendly & personal p. s. to eduardo : don't worry , mate , i'm not @ all angry with u anymore , because u've changed your offer & by now only want to trade or swap your "stuff" here , which is perfectly okay for me , as i've mentioned already many times before on this list !!! ;-)

Oh, my God !! You don´t understand my joke !!! The changes from SALE to SWAP is just a joke, my friend, because it is ALL BUSINESS !!! Whats diference between sales or swaps ?!? Is only the value of the items... For me, you are a children... Greetings from Brazil ! Eduardo

btw : immediately after this message i'll sent a request to the list owner & ask him to remove & ban u from this list , because i simply WON'T tolerate bootleggers nor pirates like u on the same list like me , u silly sucker !!! one of us has to leave this list VERY_SOON_!!! let's see , who this will be , u utter idiot !!!

Good luck. People have been selling and trading Kraftwerk material on this list since at least 1993. In my experience, it's much easier to filter and/or delete sellers' e-mails than it is to bear tedious arguments which always devolve into flame wars, hypocrisy, and "holier than thou" proclamations by self-styled #1 Kraftwerk fans. If this list is to be any use at all, it may very well require each of us to tolerate receiving e-mails with which we disagree. Even robots have differing opinions. -Eric

Oh Jay wrote:

sure , u can always try to "tolerate" ev'ry jackass that u came across on the internet or in real life , but that's jus' NOT_MY_STYLE_!!! :-/

wrote that he would swap his "stuff" now , instead of sellin' it here , is SIMPLY_TOO_MUCH_FOR_ME_!!! :-/

imho , eduardo is nothin' but A_CRIMINAL_&_A_LIAR_!!! therefore he's an INTOLERABLE_INDIVIDUAL - @ least for me !!!

That's three times he's said that he gets offended. So, I'm sorry that you don't like people doing things you don't approve of, Oh Jay, but really, there's not much you can do about it except actively choose to ignore them. Trying to start a vigilante effort the way you are is simply not working - you're only making a fool out of yourself, and I'm sure you don't want that.

& i surely WON'T rest , until his sad ass is removed & banned from here !!! PERIOD_!!!

And who are you to make the rules? Did it cross your mind that perhaps a lot of people found his offer interesting? No you didn't. Besides, selling things that never has been officially released causes no financial harm to the copyright owners. Try to convince me the opposite if you can. No matter what is legal and not, pointing fingers and yelling at eachother will never solve a problem. Perhaps it will in real life, but in the anarchistic way things work over the net, it simply is unfeasible. That's why I ask you to ignore things you don't like, and if you get offended with something, you could always direct your e-mails directly to the offender, instead of ventilating your personal opinions vividly when they simply aren't wanted. In fact, you and a couple of others' bullshitting disturbs me much, much more than Eduardo trying to get rid of a couple of VCDs. So, get on with it now, let's all calm down and think. Only fight wars that are meaningful. [-g-]

From: "Per-Olof Karlsson" <grovsnus72@hotmail.com>

And who are you to make the rules?

fyi : i'm an owner & moderator of MANY list myself & therefore i think that i know @ least a bit about "the rules" , even if this isn't my list or i'm not a moderator here !!!

Did it cross your mind that perhaps a lot of people found his offer interesting? No you didn't.

YES_I_DID_!!! but that's NOT_AT_ALL the point in this case , mate !!! no matter , how "interestin'" an offer is , it should be acceptable FOR_ALL_HERE that there are places to sell your "stuff" , like e-bay etc. , & there are places to trade or swap your "stuff" , like mailin' lists for fans like this !!! if i'm indeed wrong & SELLIN' "stuff" is also widely supported on this list ... then THIS_IS_NOT_THE_PLACE_FOR_ME_TO_BELONG_TO_ANY_LONGER_!!! :-/

Besides, selling things that never has been officially released causes no financial harm to the copyright owners.

u simply WON'T understand my concerns , won't u ??? *sigh* :-o PLEASE reread my last postings concernin' this topic here again !!!

Try to convince me the opposite if you can.

i really DON'T have to do this !!! it's jus' a waste of time , if u obviously haven't understood me so far !!! :-/

No matter what is legal and not, pointing fingers and yelling at eachother will never solve a problem.

PLEASE_REMEMBER , who's started this whole controversy & PLEASE_ALSO_REMEMBER that i've been very generous with eduardo ... until his last EXTREMELY_ANNOYIN' message here !!! *grumble* :-/ but ENOUGH_IS_ENOUGH_!!! >:-O therefore he WILL have to take the consequences !!! PERIOD_!!!

Perhaps it will in real life, but in the anarchistic way things work over the net, it simply is unfeasible.

well ... let's wait & see , how this whole story turns out in the end !!! *sly_grin* ;-)

That's why I ask you to ignore things you don't like,

... like LIARS , TRAITORS , CROOKS , CRIMINALS , ... & what's next then , eh ??? maybe ignorin' even MURDERERS_??? >:-O NO_WAY_!!! NEVER_EVER_!!! :-o as i've already said here before : that's jus' NOT_MY_STYLE ... & y' all should know this by now !!! u simply HAVE_TO_DRAW_A_LINE @ the right time ... before things turn out to be uncontrollable finally !!! :-/ i've tried to do jus' that ... right here , right now !!!

and if you get offended with something, you could always direct your e-mails directly to the offender, instead of ventilating your personal opinions vividly when they simply aren't wanted.

i thought that the whole thing was already over & the problem was solved , but then eduardo made the worst mistake ever ... & THAT_WAS_SIMPLY_TOO_MUCH_!!! >:-O therefore i'll go the whole way right now !!! fyi : i have my pride & my integrity ... no matter , if people are goin' to like that or not !!!

In fact, you and a couple of others' bullshitting disturbs me much, much more than Eduardo trying to get rid of a couple of VCDs.

sorry , but nobody else than eduardo is responsible for this mess in the end ... & u should really begin to realize that , mate !!!

So, get on with it now, let's all calm down and think.

as i've explained already above : it was all actually over for me , but then eduardo started again & by now i'll certainly do EV'RYTHIN' to kick his sad ass off this list & surely WON'T rest until i finally reach this aim !!!

Only fight wars that are meaningful.

fyi : the meanin' of this "war" is to get rid of jackasses like eduardo ONCE_&_FOR_ALL , if they behave like this here !!! get it ... or maybe not , but i'll go the whole way ... until the very ( & maybe also bitter :-/ ) end !!! oh ja(y) *~\^/~*

u simply WON'T understand my concerns , won't u ??? *sigh* :-o No I don't.

... like LIARS , TRAITORS , CROOKS , CRIMINALS , ... & what's next then , eh ??? maybe ignorin' even MURDERERS_??? >:-O LOL

Ah well, we obviously have very different opinions :) I for one thought it was nice of Eduardo to ask us on the list before he put his stuff for sale at eBay. I'm not the least bothered by that! Perhaps it's because I'm a collector, and I actually like it when people make offers to me. This time it didn't interest me, however, since I only collect vinyls. But still, I appreciate Eduardo's offer. You, on the other hand Oh Jay, seem to fight some cold war that is so violently out of scope that it borders on ridicule. Do you really have nothing more important to use your energy for? Come on, there are so much worthwhile things to put your energy into; bashing people who are nice enough to ask if his fellow Kraftwerkers are interested in a VCD (who sell by the millions in Asia - where is your concern for that?) seems quite pointless. I'm ending my public discussion on this topic right here and now; feel free to email me privately if you want, however, I'm happy to discuss any concerns you might (still) have. grovsnus

am i the only one who hit D on eduardo's original post and truly does not care about this whole mindless argument? oh jay and per-olaf, that's great you both feel strongly about this, but take it the fuck off the list. as NOBODY has attempted to jump into your debate (outside of mr evans, the list's devil's advocate), PLEASE, stop annoying us all, or i will be forced to killfile you both (a real shame, as you both normally contribute nothing but good chat). you know it's time to give it up when your being annoyed becomes a problem to others. : sig : micah stupak international bright young kook laerm@soulfood.org : quote : everybody needs someone to live by