i wrote myself :

...

"music is organized noise !!!" ;-)

kevin replied :

Ralf's corruption of Varese's definition "music is organised sound"!

well ... maybe too , but the actual phrase "music is organized noise" goes back long before kw even existed !!! *slyest_grin* ;-)))

They "lack" such a structure in the same way that a frog lacks wings!

nope , NOT_AT_ALL , because "a song" jus' becomes "a song" due to a specific structure of rhythm & melody / verse & chorus etc. !!! fyi : u can compose "a song" out of pure noise ... when u organize it in a way that a song-like structure can be defined & also be heard !!! ;-) to use your "frog lacks wings" example : a frog is a frog by definition & a bird is a bird by definition ... & a song is a song by definition , so if it lacks the PERTINENT parts & structure , it jus' ISN'T "a song" anymore ( or never even was ;-) , but ONLY "a track of noise(s) or sound(s)" !!! that's why most so called "techno" trax are simply NOT "songs" , but "trax" , because they lack the PERTINENT structure of "a song" !!! ;-)

Like "electronica", it's Newspeak. ;-)

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