( OT ) Re: what's "better" ??? can u define it ???
From: Soleil Lapierre <lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca>
Please be careful with your attributions, OJ. I'm not the one who wrote that.
INDEED_!!! >:-O i'm sorry , as i've realized this jus' after i've already send out my message to the list that it was originally written by "mr. efofex" ( ;-) & only quoted again in one of your replies !!! :-o anyway ... it would be nice , if "mr. efofex" could edit his replies a lil' more clearly & indicate to whom he's actually replyin' & also leave a space between his reply & the quoted text above his reply then !!! [ ... ]
Just gotta have the last word, eh? :)
well ... i could accuse u of the same then !!! *BWG* ;-)))
You're a fine one to talk about bias after all that flamage surrounding the list switchover.
HUH_??? >:-O fyi : the list switchover was simply necessary , as the ol' majordomo list had some major malfunctions & some messages never appeared on it , as we all hopefully remember !? so what the heck are u talkin' about in this case , mr. lapierre ??? *jus'_curious* how can u say that i'm biased in that case ... anyway ??? *puzzled_look*
IYHO only. In the first place, my opinions were not deliberately inflammatory. It was quite a while later that I finally remembered that mailing lists tend to have more sensitive people than I'm used to, and apologized. In the second place, my intent was not to annoy people but to express my annoyance with what I saw as an unreasonably biased viewpoint.
well ... what u see as "an unreasonably biased viewpoint" is A_PERFECTLY_REASONABLE_&_UNBIASED_VIEWPOINT ... not only imho ... as the discussion here has proven very effectively , but U_ALONE still seem to be way too stubborn to admit that u were simply WRONG with what u've assumed & have presented NO_REAL_ARGUMENTS_AT_ALL here & therefore only stoop down to a level of communication , where u can INSULT others , like me , with your pretty narrow-minded & - imho !!! - totally biased point of view , sorry !!! :-/
For future reference, here is the actual definition of "troll":
that's what U are : A_TROLL in this definition ... @ least for me !!! PERIOD_!!!
Send me some money and I will.
to buy a new stylus really ISN'T that expensive , mate !!! *G+* ;-)
Also don't forget some extra for a turntable, amp and speakers since I obviously must not have any decent instances of those either. Oh, and replacement records for my worn-out ones too. Based on what others have said, $3,000.00 should do for a start.
ha ... with the above UTTER_NONSENSE , u've jus' proven AGAIN , what kind of SILLY_TROLL u are then !!! *sigh* :-o ... & if u actually thought that it was somehow "funny" , then u've simply forgotten the smiley behind it !!! :-/
No, but I have from CDs.
*LOL* ;-))) do u actually know , what A_REAL_BASSLINE is then ??? *BWG* ;-))) i highly doubt so , as u obviously have only heard what u call A_BASS from such inferior 16 bit encoded standard cds , which is simply RIDICULOUS_!!! :-/
Bass is kind of irrelevant to your points about signal reproduction though, since low frequencies are much easier to record.
if this is indeed true ( which it simply ISN'T , of course !!! ) , then please tell me WHY vinyl can reproduce such low frequencies MUCH_BETTER than ANY inferior cd EVER could , eh ??? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) now ... U'RE_TRAPPED , mate !!! *hehehe* ;-))) so the conclusion of it simply is that as vinyl can reproduce such frequencies much better than a cd can , cds are inferior as their frequency range is simply SMALLER than the one of a vinyl ( i. e. analog ) record !!! *slyest_grin_again* ;-))) case closed !!! u're dismissed ... finally !!!
More undefined terms.
are u man or machine then , mr. lapierre ??? *XLG* ;-)))
Anyway, I found this thread to be fun and informative.
yeah ... mostly thanx to "mr. efofex" & peo , as they were the ones , who've added some really interestin' & also TRUE_ARGUMENTS to this discussion , which U_DIDN'T_!!! *sigh* :-o
I learned a few things to be sure, and I hope others did too.
well ... what i've learned - especially from the debate with u !!! - is that it's rather pointless & fruitless to reply to such a biased & stubborn troll like u are !!! :-/
I still think CDs generally sound better though.
u are free to think / believe & also express this wherever u want , BUT ... you're NOT free to claim that u're right with what u assume , as u simply AREN'T right with it ... & are also NOT willin' to learn or to be convinced by some really good arguments , like they were presented here by "mr. efofex" or peo ... only for instance !!! *sigh* :-o p. s. : as i've written in one of my previous messages here , jus' ask ANY sound engineer about this matter & he'll tell u WHY analog ( vinyl ) is indeed still "better" than digital ( cd ) !!! *sly_grin* ;-) sorry , but my limited knowledge of the english language is sadly not enough to convince u of THE_PLAIN_FACTS_!!! *sigh* :-o case closed now ... @ least for me !!! however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - july 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show & playlist archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco for more info , send your request(s) to : oh_jay@kraftwerk.nu ;-) *~\^/~*
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Oh Jay wrote:
Just gotta have the last word, eh? :) well ... i could accuse u of the same then !!! *BWG* ;-)))
Indeed you could.
You're a fine one to talk about bias after all that flamage surrounding the list switchover.
HUH_??? >:-O
Never mind. My memory is pretty hazy on that, and I may have made a mistake. I remember you getting into a flame war with someone else on the list a few months back, and talking about "plain facts" that were neither plain nor facts.
IYHO only. In the first place, my opinions were not deliberately inflammatory. It was quite a while later that I finally remembered that mailing lists tend to have more sensitive people than I'm used to, and apologized. In the second place, my intent was not to annoy people but to express my annoyance with what I saw as an unreasonably biased viewpoint.
well ... what u see as "an unreasonably biased viewpoint" is A_PERFECTLY_REASONABLE_&_UNBIASED_VIEWPOINT
So say all fanatics. :)
discussion here has proven very effectively , but U_ALONE still seem to be way too stubborn to admit that u were simply WRONG with what u've assumed & have presented NO_REAL_ARGUMENTS_AT_ALL here & therefore only stoop down to a level of communication , where u can INSULT others
Nonsense. I've learned a lot from other participants i this thread, to be sure, but I still feel that CD is a better format than vinyl because of the some/many thing - CD brings better sound quality to the masses, not just those who qualify as dedicated stereo equipment connoisseurs. I also now think it's wrong to speak of one system being "better" unless you're prepared to break out measuring equipment to scientifically compare the two. Until that happens, you can only speak of one being better for a particular person, ie vinyl is better for you and CD is better for me.
Bass is kind of irrelevant to your points about signal reproduction though, since low frequencies are much easier to record.
if this is indeed true ( which it simply ISN'T , of course !!! ) , then please tell me WHY vinyl can reproduce such low frequencies MUCH_BETTER than ANY inferior cd EVER could , eh ??? *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) now ... U'RE_TRAPPED , mate !!! *hehehe* ;-)))
You haven't demonstrated that it can. At this point you're only asserting.
More undefined terms. are u man or machine then , mr. lapierre ??? *XLG* ;-)))
Haha! I am the man-machine, of course. :)
I learned a few things to be sure, and I hope others did too.
well ... what i've learned - especially from the debate with u !!! - is that it's rather pointless & fruitless to reply to such a biased & stubborn troll like u are !!! :-/
So far I've been trimming out your childish personal attacks, but I must point out a couple of things. Firstly, your accusations that I've been insulting people amount to no more than hot air in the light of your attacks on me. Secondly, personal attacks, especially repeated assertions like yours, do nothing to support your position and actually risk discrediting you and your views in the eyes of others. And before you say that I also made personal attacks for saying things like vinylists are living in a dream world: Yes, those were bad things to say and I admit I went a bit overboard. They weren't exactly personal attacks (at least not like yours) because they were directed at a group; it then fell to sensitive members of that group (like yourself apparently) to take it personally.
I still think CDs generally sound better though.
u are free to think / believe & also express this wherever u want , BUT ... you're NOT free to claim that u're right with what u assume , as u simply AREN'T
The same applies to you. You've done nothing to prove you're right either. In the light of experience provided by others in this thread, it seems that it may actually be impossible for either of us to prove ourselves right.
right with it ... & are also NOT willin' to learn or to be convinced by some really good arguments , like they were presented here by "mr. efofex" or peo ... only for instance !!! *sigh* :-o
Again you've skipped some messages. I have learned much from what they said, and admitted so.
sorry , but my limited knowledge of the english language is sadly not enough to convince u of THE_PLAIN_FACTS_!!! *sigh* :-o
What's your first language, out of curiosity? -- /* Soleil */
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