I've been asked to forward the following email to you guys in the hope that someone will help Javier with his quest for knowledge! In the meantime.... Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk Original email sent to me...... My name is Javier, originally from Switzerland, but i've been in London for some time... I was wondering if you have any references of the use of a vocoder by other German groups in the early seventies. As far as I know, it first appears on Ananas Symphonie. But maybe other groups used it before...Basically I am trying to find out who's been "messing around" with vocoders in that period, since Werner Meyer-Eppler, from the NWDR ,also experimented with similar devices in the fifties,but surely someone (in Germany, I mean) must have done something before Kraftwerk.... If you know the answer to that please let me know, Thanks for your help J. Aregger Please direct responses to Javier at aregger1@hotmail.com of course if there is relevant info for the rest of us post to the list as well ;o)
I was wondering if you have any references of the use of a vocoder by other German groups in the early seventies. As far as I know, it first appears on Ananas Symphonie. But maybe other groups used it before...
The one Kraftwerk used on Ananas Symphonie wasn't a real vocoder, it was some gear the nazis invented to code speech to voltage during world war II to have a kind of encrypted communication. When you used this voltage connected to a synthesizer, you got a vocoder. That's what I've read somewhere...
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I was wondering if you have any references of the use of a vocoder by other German groups in the early seventies. As far as I know, it first appears on Ananas Symphonie. But maybe other groups used it before... Basically I am trying to find out who's been "messing around" with vocoders in that period, since Werner Meyer-Eppler, from the NWDR ,also experimented with similar devices in the fifties,but surely someone (in Germany, I mean) must have done something before Kraftwerk....
You can take a visit to: http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/siemens/siemens2.html Read carefully, you'll find there a few names including ...Werner Meyer-Eppler or Kh Stockhausen, amongst others (though there is no mention who experimented on the vocoder...) le 29/01/2003 19:39, DJM replied :
The one Kraftwerk used on Ananas Symphonie wasn't a real vocoder, it was some gear the nazis invented to code speech to voltage during world war II to have a kind of encrypted communication. When you used this voltage connected to a synthesizer, you got a vocoder. That's what I've read somewhere...
??? your (blur) and enigma-tic ;-) description anyway seems to be not far from what ...a vocoder is. I think the early vocoder used on "Ananas Symphonie" (and "Autobahn"...?) could be a Siemens Vocoder ( originally a part of the Siemens Synthesizer - for little info go to *again* ;-): http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/siemens/index.html ) ...because I clearly remember a french interview with Ralf Hütter: Q: "You used vocoders like the Sehnheiser, ems... ?" Ralf: "Yes, and Siemens too..." So... maybe, perhaps, :-) _ /o o\ Filtre4Pole \ ~ / I I - -
le 30/01/2003 12:33, Filtre4Pole à catmeow@wanadoo.fr a écrit :
le 29/01/2003 19:39, DJM replied :
The one Kraftwerk used on Ananas Symphonie wasn't a real vocoder, it was some gear the nazis invented to code speech to voltage during world war II to have a kind of encrypted communication. When you used this voltage connected to a synthesizer, you got a vocoder. That's what I've read somewhere...
??? your (blur) and enigma-tic ;-) description anyway seems to be not far from what ...a vocoder is.
Upon "what it is" http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/vocoder/ Vocoders were developed by scientists in USA, USSR, Germany If you want a inner view, read Soljenitsin's First Circle You have examples of the military use here http://people.wiesbaden.netsurf.de/~signals/TABLES/VOCODER.HTML Models of http://www.manhattansoundlab.com/spacelab/vocoders/ Wendy Carlos http://www.wendycarlos.com/vocoders.html She used a vocoder in 71-72 for Clockwork Orange The first public appearance was the one of the Voder at the World fair 1939 in NY. kraftwerk's : http://www.sequencer.de/moogulatorium.html "in "die Roboter": Nach meiner Erinnerung - man wird ja nicht jünger - standen damals der "dicke" EMS-Vocoder und der Sennheiser-Vocoder im Studio. Später hat Herr Schneider - ich hoffe, dass ich jetzt kein Geschäftsgeheimnis verrate - bei mir den KORG VC-10 käuflich erworben, da dieser "so schön grau und kompakt" war. gepostet von Dirk "SSB"-Matten gibt es eine sehr informative gute site,die sich auch für einsteiger GUT eignet.., auf dirks site gibt es sehr lesenswerte storys und grundlagen zu synthesizern und klangbeispiele, wie etwa die von Herbert Eimert (Diesen Namen sollten Leute die Elektronische Musik machen unbedingt KENNEN!) imo ist die zwar sehr alte,aber ungemein lehrreiche und immernoch nahezu komplette erklärung eine der besten im netz mit tollen klangbeispielen in einer zeit,wo "synthesizer" noch ein traum war! www.elektropolis.de" And las but not least ;) http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/FAQ/equipment.html Denis ) ================================================ lepetitmartien http://www.macmusic.org Modérateur In Chef Moderator In Chief
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