RE TDF Soundtracks What do you think
ian t said:
When someone is held in high esteem and has created ground-breaking material in the past, they will inevitably release new material that will be disappointing to other peoples expectations.
Filtre4Pole said: This is not necessarily true: YES if the album isn't a "greatest" one, NO if it is better than expected... (and that's only ascertainable *after* and not *before*... anyway) ;-) OK, If I change my statemnet to "they will ALMOST inevitably release new material that will be
disappointing to other peoples expectations EVENTUALY". maybe we can agree :o)
ian t said:
TDF 2003 the single could have been presented as a completely new song by simply not using the cover art of their previous single and changing the title to something else (Vuelta Espania perhaps).
Filtre4Pole said: Noooooo! (and why not "Deutschland Tour"?) why changing title??? But you can't find better, mate! I wonder if you have any idea of what the epic Tour de France can actually represent... *sigh* Yes I think I do appreciate the wonder of the TDF. Much more than a sporting event, and a subject worthy of an entire KW album. What I was trying to say here is that KW could easily have bowed to pressure to show that they are recording new music, but thankfully they put music and the Tour before marketing. They could easily have been slated for having no new ideas. ian t said:
When KW were part of the Kraut Rock scene (in there own way) many fans would have been disappointed when Autobahn appeared.
Filtre4Pole said: Sure ! :-) *lol* I'm afraid those early fans of pre-historic K' and 'choucroute rock' would have been disappointed for ever (*btw* is it possible they are still fans? hehe...) in fact since Kraftwerk became really Kraftwerk in 1974. Well I am. Have loved them since I bought the Vertigo double album (1972) in 1976 (I haden't heard Autobahn or Radio activity at this stage). Filtre4Pole said:
Then they cleverly chose the silence ...to emphase their own Legend ;-)
Brilliant thought, very interesting! ian t _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband
le 18/08/2003 18:18, ian tyson à i_tyson@hotmail.com a écrit :
I'm afraid those early fans of pre-historic K' and 'choucroute rock' would have been disappointed for ever (*btw* is it possible they are still fans? hehe...) in fact since Kraftwerk became really Kraftwerk in 1974.
Well I am.
So, you are one of those (rare?) early fans... who are still fans ;-)
Have loved them since I bought the Vertigo double album (1972) in 1976 (I haden't heard Autobahn or Radio activity at this stage).
Interesting... I'm wondering: have you been really disappointed when you discovered the new and definitive electro-pop side of Kraftwerk ? or on the contrary, have you been amazed, feeling something like "wow! unbielivable, these guys are genius, better than I could imagine!..." ??? ;-) Maybe, perhaps, _ /o o\ Filtre4Pole \ ~ / I I - -
Filtre4Pole schrieb am 19.08.2003 01:57 Uhr:
Have loved them since I bought the Vertigo double album (1972) in 1976 (I haden't heard Autobahn or Radio activity at this stage).
Interesting... I'm wondering: have you been really disappointed when you discovered the new and definitive electro-pop side of Kraftwerk ? or on the contrary, have you been amazed, feeling something like "wow! unbielivable, these guys are genius, better than I could imagine!..." ??? ;-)
I'm another guy who knows the band from their first days, I was 14 when they released their first album, and especially "Megaherz" catched me right away. I can assure you it was no disappointment when Kraftwerk did "Autobahn" -- don't forget: That was four years later, and the two albums between the first and Autobahn were very different too. Jan
I'm another guy who knows the band from their first days, I was 14 when they released their first album, and especially "Megaherz" catched me right away.
very interesting. Did you also know at that time the other german groups labeled "Krautrock" such as Tangerine Dream etc. Did you also like their music or something in KW was more interesting for you? I ask this question because for me, early KW (before the LP R & F) is not very interesting compared to early TD stuff for example. but I was not born in 1970 , so I don't have the historical musical background of the time ....
Arnaud schrieb am 19.08.2003 18:48 Uhr:
I'm another guy who knows the band from their first days, I was 14 when they released their first album, and especially "Megaherz" catched me right away.
very interesting.
Did you also know at that time the other german groups labeled "Krautrock" such as Tangerine Dream etc.
Did you also like their music or something in KW was more interesting for you?
I ask this question because for me, early KW (before the LP R & F) is not very interesting compared to early TD stuff for example.
I never felt that Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream were competitors. I loved both of them for the things they did, both of them were unique in their way. Some of my favorites of that time were Can, Amon Duul II ("Yeti" was among my first LPs, if memory serves), Guru Guru and the other usual indigenous suspects, but also I loved Albert Mangelsdorff, Gary Burton, Miles Davis and some other jazz. I had also records of Van der Graaf Generator, Deep Purple, Status Quo, Led Zep, Jefferson Airplane, United States Of America, Soft Machine, early Gong and many others. More important to me was a radio series entitled "das neue werk" (decidedly without capitals!) where hard-core contemporary composers were featured on late Sunday night - Ligeti, Stockhausen, Nono, Berio, Henze, Boulez, newest sounds from the famous WDR Studio for Electronic Music, and so on. I remember I was lying in my bed, all lights shut down, only the small light bulbs behind the radio scale and the green magic eye were glowing, and I listened to these completely strange sounds coming from my Telefunken Concertino valve radio. I was eleven or twelve when I first discovered this series, and with it I discovered that music is a medium you can fly with. To Sirius and back in just 45 minutes. (Or to Spain and back with Miles Davis or to Rio and back with Astrud Gilberto and Tom Jobim.) So you see I've been pre-contaminated when I discovered Kraftwerk. But Kraftwerk became the one band who was able to add the dimension of rock music to the experimental electronic music I've heard until then. I think THAT was the catchy thing for me. Jan
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