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You have to remember Karl did some work with The Mix before he left, but was left uncredited. So it wasn't fully the R/F/H/F line up yet.

Karrekt! So we have the following KW line ups: Mark 1: Hutter, Schneider, Dinger, Hohmann (KW1) Mark 2: Schneider, Dinger, Rother (Beat Club appearance) Mark 3: Hutter, Schneider (KW2, R&F) Mark 4: Hutter, Schneider, Flur, Roeder, Schult (Autobahn) Mark 5: Hutter, Schenider, Flur, Bartos, Schult ("classical line up", from 1975 to 19??) Mark 6: Hutter, Schneider, Bartos, Hilpert (1990 tour, The Mix) Mark 7: Hutter, Schneider, Hilpert, Abrantes (1991 tour) Mark 8: Hutter, Schneider, Hilpert, Schmitz (1991/97/98 tours, Expo 2000) Any other?

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I don't agree that they are just as important. Im going to guess that Kling Klang didnt have as much employees in the 70's than it does now, and therefore more work was done by R/F/K/W. Now there are more employees to do things, lightening the load somewhat for H+F.

I said they CAN be so important, IF KW release a new album, thing I believe it will never happens. So we will never be able to compare K&W to F&H. But I believe if KW real work, F&H could develop to nice musicians, as K&W.

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I see what you are getting at with the H like W and the F like K, but Fritz hasn't proved himself as a composer like Bartos did. He could have a control-limitation like I was saying earlier. To the public eye, yes, Karl did more than Wolfgang, and it seems Fritz does more than Henning. You're analogy somewhat works. Henning and Fritz need a chance to prove themselves that they can match Karl and Wolfgang.

I agree that Karl is a tremendous composer. Some of my favourite KW songs are cowrited by him. IMHO KW wouldn't be the same without Karl contributions as composer. In other hand, Wolfgang is a marvelous musician. Pay attention to fantastic "drum battle" in Numbers. For me, it always looked like a techno samba... Or Homecomputer, one of my favourites drums on KW. I don't remember if in Flur's book he said he was a composer in KW. Anyway, F&H have a tremendous work, to convice KW fans that they are at least as good as K&W. peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br