From: Soleil Lapierre <lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca>
"I see no reason to insult me, Captain."
well ... it was U , who @ least ANNOYED or even insulted EV'RY vinyl "advocate" as u've written that we're all livin' in some kind of "dream world" , which was totally unnecessary & also UNJUSTIFIED for a mature discussion about the advantages & disadvantages of vinyl & cds , imho ... & the ONLY reason , why i've stepped into this - by now rather POINTLESS_!!! *sigh* :-o - discussion !!! :-o
You could try explaining it.
sure , i could ... but as the troll that u are ( sometimes ) , u'll find a more or less intelligent way to say somethin' against it , so i really DON'T see a point in continuin' this discussion with u ... UNLESS u really LISTEN to what we vinyl "advocates" have to say & to PROVE ... & THEN try to refute it with some actual ARGUMENTS ... & NOT jus' tell us your humble opinion about what U ( alone ) think is "better" then , because we all have a diff'rent opinion about what sounds "better" !!! i'm actually ONLY interested in what IS "better" ... & NOT jus' in what sounds "better" in your or my humble opinion !!! that's where we differ too , mate !!! ;-) anyway ... to get back to my grayscales example ... once & for all : digital = 0 & 1 = black & white analog = an endless array between 0 & 1 = an endless array of grayscales is that "clear" enough for u by now , mate ??? *jus'_curious*
Because you claimed it could.
i DIDN'T_!!! it's now obvious that i jus' haven't made myself "clear" enough for u to understand what i've really meant , as i've written "well ... it's jus' A_PLAIN_FACT that vinyl has a much greater frequency spectrum than a cd or - until today !!! - ANY digital medium could ever have !!! ;-)" to make it "clear" right now ... once & for all : i was talkin' about the AUDIBLE frequency spectrum of vinyl & cds , in which case vinyl INDEED has a much greater frequency spectrum ... as EV'RY sound engineer can PROVE to u WITHOUT_ANY_DOUBT_!!! *slyest_grin* ;-)))
Well, my PC has a 66MHz PCI bus, ...
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so if you think vinyl has a wider spectrum than any digital medium, you'll have to show that it can reproduce higher-frequency signals than a computer can output.
WHY should i ??? *puzzled_look* to remind u of the actual topic we are talkin' about here : it's actually about what u can HEAR or maybe FEEL ... & what is REAL & MOST_DEFINITELY_NOT about what is technically possible to achieve !!! that's the main mistake that cd advocates like u almost ALWAYS seem to make !!! *sigh* :-o to give u a definition of the term "analog" in general : "ANALOG" = quality , which changes continuously & CANNOT ( !!! ) bein' quantified in "DIGITAL" values !!! i really think that this definition speaks for itself now !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) ... or to say it in other words : "ANALOG" = ORIGINAL / LIFE / SOURCE "DIGITAL" = COPY / ARTIFACT / IMITATION so HOW on earth can ANY "DIGITAL" medium EVER be "better" than ANY "ANALOG" medium then , eh ??? :-o well ... if u prefer A_CLONE or A_COPY to THE_ORIGINAL , then it can , but otherwise it simply COULDN'T_!!! PLAIN_FACTS_!!! PERIOD_!!! as i've already said in my very first postin' concernin' this tread : a cd can sound "clearer" than a vinyl record , but NEVER - in respect to the above definition of the words "analog" & "digital" !!! - "better" than it !!! fyi : "DIGITAL" values can get very close to the "ANALOG" original , but they can NEVER be exactly the same !!! PERIOD_!!! so "DIGITAL" will ALWAYS be inferior to "ANALOG" - albeit it may sound "clearer" , due to the REDUCTION of "ANALOG" noise ( or what people may recognize as "noise" then !!! ;-) - , simply because it can only get "near to PERFECTION" !!! ( a.k.a. THE - of course "ANALOG"_!!! ;-) - ORIGINAL_!!! ;-)
Ah, now you're qualifying it by saying "audible". That's different.
... but that's WHAT we are actually talkin' here about the whole time ... & NOT how it's technical possible for a digital medium to ( almost ) PERFECTLY_IMITATE_&_RECREATE an analog source / sound !!! :-o
No, I prefer superior CDs. :)
well ... what u prefer is AN_ARTIFACT , AN_IMITATION of / to THE_ORIGINAL then , which is rather sad , ihmo !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... i'll ALWAYS prefer THE_ORIGINAL of EV'RYTHIN' that i can get hold of to AN_ARTIFACT or AN_IMITATION of it !!! ;-)
How is "clearer" not better? What do you mean by clearer anyway?
see my explanation above ... & reread the numerous other messages concernin' this tread again , if necessary !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... as your whole opinion in this case seems to be biased & also based on ARTIFICIAL_VALUES , u'll sadly NEVER understand what i & all those other vinyl advocates mean !!! *deeply_saddened_sigh* :-o however ... many greetinx again , oh jay , who's REALLY tired of this whole thread by now & therefore has chosen NOT to reply to any further messages concernin' it , as it would jus' be a waste of my precious time then , sorry !!! :-/ ~*~ "life's too short to be ARTIFICIAL_!!!" ;-) *~\^/~*