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bootlegs
by tadream 09 May '02

09 May '02

howdy anyone know a good e-store with KW bootlegs for sale? (preferably headquartered in germany) e-mail: tadream(a)go2.pl home page: www.itramp.com.pl/tadream icq: 35224126

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"Neben mir"
by Klaus Zaepke 08 May '02

08 May '02

Wolfgang Fluer's short story "Neben mir" has been published on CD-ROM by dtv: "Literatur.digital. Formen und Wege einer neuen Literatur" dtv, Muenchen 2002 ISBN: 3-423-24302-3 Price: EUR 14,50. The CD-ROM compiles the 20 best contributions for last year's "Literatur.digital" competition (http://www.t-online.de/literaturpreis) Klaus Zaepke

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(no subject)
by richard.marston＠eurosport.com 08 May '02

08 May '02

From: Lord Ruthven <dasfestistzuendeaus(a)yahoo.de> wrote: btw, *comparisons* between Kraftwerk and Stockhausen are ridiculous. it's like comparing the Beatles with Brahms. ...or Andy Warhol with Picasso. I actually sense an element of improvisation in some of Stockhausen's work (Stimmung, for example) which is missing from Kraftwerk's. Perhaps the only link (apart from both being German postwar generation, with associated cultural experiences) is that they both seek to realise a kind of universal music, one "classical" the other "pop". Otherwise the idea of a link is probably a throwback to the early 70s when any and every kind of electronic music was grouped together by record stores and in the minds of reviewers, as if the common use of electronic equipment implied a kind of conceptual kinship as well. Nowadays, of course, all music is synthesized to some degree -- either the instrumentation or during the recording/mixing process -- unless you're listening to voices or acoustic instruments sung/played "live". -------------------------------------------------------- You too can have your own email address from Eurosport. http://www.eurosport.com

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Detroit '98 Kraftwerk concert poster (resend)
by Thomas, Drew 08 May '02

08 May '02

Does anyone know if there were ever any concert posters made for Kraftwerk's Detroit '98 concert? I've checked ebay and at klingklang but no luck. Thanks for your help in advance! Drew Thomas, Official Beer Taster and... Program Director: WMKJ-FM Majic 105 Announcer: WWMG-FM Magic 96.1 Charlotte KQOL-FM Kool 93.1 Las Vegas WMXL-FM MIX 94.5 Lexington Office: 859.422.1115 Cell: 859.396.7371 Pager: 859.244.1281 Fax: 859.422.1038

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Re: Putting some rules in my answers
by Nicolau Centola 08 May '02

08 May '02

Maybe I didn't make me clear in my previous message. I like to discuss intelligent points of view, even (and preferible) if they are diferent of mine, since in a respectable way. If you read again my previous mail you will note I didn't say I will answer "anythin' that u personally don't like" with a signal. It says I will answer with a signal JUST to "any personal attack and/or disrespectful message". IMHO this rule will stop (at least for me) personal and/or dirsrespectful messages on the list. As I always said, personal attacks should remain in personal correspondence. It's just a rule to keep the debates here in the list in a higher level. Is it clear? I think everyone agree with keep the debates in a higher level. This message is an example of an answer to an "intelligent" message. As you answered with a minimum of respect, I'm explaining my point of view. If the answer had any disrespect, as occurred several times here in the list in the past, certainly I would answer with a (...................................). peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br >>>> guess what ??? as long as u like to reply with such silly & mindless (...................................) messages to anythin' that u personally don't like , A_WHOLE_LOT of messages in the future will contain (...................................) !!! :-/

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Putting some rules in my answers
by Nicolau Centola 08 May '02

08 May '02

Nice point Eric, and the answer is simple: replying a personal attack or a disrespectful message will generate another reply with more personal attacks, and so on.... IMHO personal attacks should remain in personal messages, not to the list. Don't you agree? peace Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br >>>Sorry, but why just not reply at all? Erik

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Karl Bartos and Karlheinz Stockhausen in Stockhol m
by Enrique Correa 08 May '02

08 May '02

I wrote: > Karlheinz Stockhausen must be one of the must boring musicians > [...] What I've heard from him is nothing but noise crap, Kevin Busby replied: >> Enqrique, no personal offence intended, but you really need to try >> to educate yourself about the possibilities of expression via sound >> before you start ranting like that! None taken. I'm sorry about that ranting part.. I probably got it from the outbreaks that usually hit this list from time to time... but at least I contained myself before I asked someone to shut up. I see your point and thanks for the advice, but believe me, God knows I've tried, specially when I was single and had lots of free time (it was more like a torture really, aspirins included and all), but I just didn't get it, or maybe didn't wanted to get it or just didn't care enough to get it. Music to me is either enjoyable or not. That sort of music IMHO is not, which is probably a pity, because like you've said, there are major rewards waiting to those willing to listen; so for now, for me extended noise and / or silence in a CD is trash, and I'm standing by it. That sort of stuff, does not belong in my living room, nor in my car, nor my headphones. To each their own. Agree? >> or lack of meaning. Your comments are akin to >> [...] Dali's scenarios were unrealistic and Rueben's >> women need to go on a diet. That's pretty funny, but at any rate, what's wrong with saying any of those things anyway? I mean, after all those scenarios were unrealistic ones, and those women were, by today's standards, overweight, right? Just kidding... (or am I?) Relax and enjoy the ride. Cheers to that! Enrique

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Re: why "music is organized noise" & a song is a song & not a track ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 07 May '02

07 May '02

i've asked : >> ... or "a piece of music" WITHOUT "a sound" ??? *BWG* ;-))) John McIntyre kindly answered my request : > John Cage 4:33. The performer sits at a grand piano and opens the lid. well ... ev'ry lid makes "a sound" when opened , right ??? *sly_grin* ;-) > Four minutes and thirty-three seconds later, ... after takin' a break for a pee , eh !? *LOL* ;-))) > he closes the lid to end the performance. ... & ev'ry lid also makes "a sound" when closed too !!! *another_sly_grin* ;-) btw : such "a performance" NOT necessarily is "a piece of music" , but more of "a silent interlude" to open the ears of the eager listeners , as i suppose !? *G+* ;-) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: why "music is organized noise" & a song is a song & not a track ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 07 May '02

07 May '02

"master" kev wrote : > My point was, there are alternative ("impertinent"?) structures > - for animals and pieces of music! well ... have u ever seen a frog with wings then , kev ??? *hehehe* ;-))) ... or "a piece of music" WITHOUT "a sound" ??? *BWG* ;-))) anyway ... there surely can be "alternative structures" for animals & also for pieces of music , BUT ... a certain basis is simply NECESSARY to define "a thing" / "a being" ... & also "a song" !!! ;-) to give y' all a very simple , but also very basic example for it : kw's "news" from the "radio-activity" album jus' ISN'T "a song" , but "a (sound)track" , while hexstatic's "deadly media" uses the same idea , it slowly , but steadily develops into "a song" , albeit of a very simple ( u may also call it "spartan" ;-) structure !!! *G+* ;-) did u get that ??? *sly_grin* ;-) p. s. : funnily enough , i've jus' played hexstatic's "communication breakdown" , which makes use of almost EV'RY modern communication tool like phones , faxes , modems , computers etc. in my last radio show !!! *XLG* ;-))) ( fyi : if u're interested in a lo-fi downloadable version of that show , jus' go to http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco/JVR_05-05-2002.mp3 !!! ;-) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: why "music is organized noise" & a song is a song & not a track ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 07 May '02

07 May '02

the big "K" wrote : > Well - yeah. It seems to me that you're not disagreeing with me at all. > Do you even realise that? for sure , i do , kev "master" !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) a personal p. s. for nicolau : (.....................................) *ROTFLOL* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - may 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet !!! ;-) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html *G+* ;-) - brand new !!! - radio show archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco ;-) *~\^/~*

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