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Re: Elton John (was: RE: [Kraftwerk] acetate (Autobahn tape))
by Rob Evans 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

>Elton John is a big art collector. And flowers. And all sorts of nice things. >Huetter said in an interview Elton John (and someone else too, >I forgot who) has asked him (RH) to produce a record with/for him. >Huetter said he didn't have the time. LOL Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Rob Evans 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

>Also, Mitternacht on the CD is shorter than the old >lp-version. How long is the old LP version? Rob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Komputer's new album
by Der Automat 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

I've just received this message from Janet of Mute records news(a)mute.info: Just a quick reminder: Komputer are playing in London this weekend at the Elektrofest at the Mean Fiddler (formerly known as the LA2), Charing Cross Road, on Easter Sunday, 31 March. Expect a new album early this autumn! Questions: info(a)mutehq.co.uk DER AUTOMAT

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Rob Evans 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

>The korrrekt running time of both versions is 3:40. The LP's 4:40 is a typo >on back cover and label. Otherwise I would not understand why there should be such a difference between the two. I also do not understand why such basic errors should occur in the first place..it is not too much to ask, to have the correct times on the back on the album rather than being a minute out (five seconds out is OK..they timed things not so precisely then) Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

The master-tape in not the 16-track-tape. It is the 2-track-tape with the mixdown. Dirk Matten kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > Markus Berzborn schrieb am 30.03.2002 10:43 Uhr MEZ: > > > I don't know the open reel tape price in 1974, but with a high > > quality tape (say Maxell XL-1) today, I'd just save about 20 Euros by reducing > > the speed. > > Okay, I wasn't there, too. > But around 1973 I jobbed in a recording studio as a trainee, and I remember > quite well that this professional tape was not the kind of tape you can buy > at Karstadt's. > I don't remember the prices for professional 16-track-tape, but according to > an interview with Heinz-Gerd Lütticke from the mid-seventies (he was then > independent producer and promoter after leaving EMI), the price of a master > tape ranged around 500 Deutschmarks - and these tapes didn't run 45 minutes, > so you needed five or six of those to make a complete album. > > swingin' eastern! > jan > > > -- > feel free to visit > http://home.t-online.de/home/reetze > http://www.felix-bloch-erben.de > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ Ohne Risiko spielend zum Börsenguru werden. Haben Sie schon eine Strategie? Spekulieren und tolle Preis gewinnen http://boersenspiel.web.de

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Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > Oh Jay schrieb am 30.03.2002 13:23 Uhr MEZ: > > > > btw : also interestin' is the fact that conrad "connie" plank WASN'T > > credited on the album cover as "producer" , but ONLY as "sound engineer" !!! > > You're right, I have to concede (brain cells are going fast ...). But we > should have learned that it doesn't mean too much what's printed on a > Kraftwerk record sleeve. There's also printed without any specification that > Wolfgang did the electronic percussion, but ... ahem ... wasn't there a > lawsuit? He played electronic drums on the LP Autobahn, not on the track Autobahn. > > We simply don't know the various roles ... > > jan > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ Ohne Risiko spielend zum Börsenguru werden. Haben Sie schon eine Strategie? Spekulieren und tolle Preis gewinnen http://boersenspiel.web.de

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Re: Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > > Dirk Matten wrote: > > > > > > kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > > > > From: "Dirk Matten" <elektropolis(a)web.de> > > > > > > > > > Drumming was made by Ralf Hütter and Florian Schneider-Esleben. > > > > > > > > that's indeed very interestin' , simply because on my copy of "autobahn" , > > > > wolfgang flür was credited for "percussion" on the album cover !? > > > > *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o > > > > > > As far as I kow Flür did percussion on other tracks of the album, but not on Autobahn. > > > > There was also Klaus Roeder, playing violin (probably on Mitternacht), > > and guitar. Autobahn is a much acoustical piece. The bass rhytm, especially > > in the beginning I think is a guitar (Roeder?) pom pompom pom pom pompom etc. :) > It's the MiniMoog! Klaus Röder did not play on the track Autobahn. Ralf Hütter played the guitar. > > > There's lots of flute, and at the end of Autobahn you can hear a lot of > > mouth organ... No moth organ, it's an electric organ with backwards effect, which can be done if the organ is processed dy a synthesizer (env.-gen. "attack-time" ca. 0,5 sec > > > > Klaus Roeder does seem to have vanished from the Autobahn credits, > > at least on my CD. On the old album cover he's with R&F&W in the back > > of the beetle. Also, Mitternacht on the CD is shorter than the old > > lp-version. > > > > Rick Jansen > > -- > > Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ > > email: rja(a)euronet.nl > > > > Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kraftwerk mailing list > > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Handeln wie die Profis, ganz ohne Risiko. Steigen Sie ein und erleben > Sie Berg- und Talfahrt an den Börsen unter http://boersenspiel.web.de > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ Ohne Risiko spielend zum Börsenguru werden. Haben Sie schon eine Strategie? Spekulieren und tolle Preis gewinnen http://boersenspiel.web.de

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Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > Dirk Matten wrote: > > > > kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > > > From: "Dirk Matten" <elektropolis(a)web.de> > > > > > > > Drumming was made by Ralf Hütter and Florian Schneider-Esleben. > > > > > > that's indeed very interestin' , simply because on my copy of "autobahn" , > > > wolfgang flür was credited for "percussion" on the album cover !? > > > *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o > > > > As far as I kow Flür did percussion on other tracks of the album, but not on Autobahn. > > There was also Klaus Roeder, playing violin (probably on Mitternacht), > and guitar. Autobahn is a much acoustical piece. The bass rhytm, especially > in the beginning I think is a guitar (Roeder?) pom pompom pom pom pompom etc. :) It's the MiniMoog! > There's lots of flute, and at the end of Autobahn you can hear a lot of > mouth organ... > > Klaus Roeder does seem to have vanished from the Autobahn credits, > at least on my CD. On the old album cover he's with R&F&W in the back > of the beetle. Also, Mitternacht on the CD is shorter than the old > lp-version. > > Rick Jansen > -- > Web: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/ > email: rja(a)euronet.nl > > Any spam mail sent to me results in counter measures. > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ Handeln wie die Profis, ganz ohne Risiko. Steigen Sie ein und erleben Sie Berg- und Talfahrt an den Börsen unter http://boersenspiel.web.de

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 30.03.02: > From: "Dirk Matten" <elektropolis(a)web.de> > > > Drumming was made by Ralf Hütter and Florian Schneider-Esleben. > > that's indeed very interestin' , simply because on my copy of "autobahn" , > wolfgang flür was credited for "percussion" on the album cover !? > *slightly_puzzled_look* :-o As far as I kow Flür did percussion on other tracks of the album, but not on Autobahn. > > btw : also interestin' is the fact that conrad "connie" plank WASN'T > credited on the album cover as "producer" , but ONLY as "sound engineer" !!! > :-o That's right: sound engineer > > what's the TRUE story behind that ... erm ... "misinformation" , dirk ??? > *indeed_very_curious_by_now* > > however ... many easter greetinx to y' all , fellow kw fan(atic)s !!! *VBS* > :-))) > > oh jay ;-) > > *~\^/~* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ Handeln wie die Profis, ganz ohne Risiko. Steigen Sie ein und erleben Sie Berg- und Talfahrt an den Börsen unter http://boersenspiel.web.de

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Re: Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] acetate (Autobahn tape)
by Dirk Matten 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

Conny Plank used a Scully tape machine with 7.5 ips and 15 ips. He had two of these machines. He prefered 7.5 ips. It was recorded without noise reduction. Dirk Matten kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 29.03.02: > > It's not a copy of the master, it's the generation before the master-tape, > > which has single ended noise reduction. > > Just curious: > > What tape machine and what brand of tape was used for the original recording? > I understand from your website that your copy is 7.5 ips 2-track, but how was > the music originally recorded? 15 ips multi-track? > Who decided that a noise reducing aftertreatment was necessary, and why wasn't > Dolby A or something like this used in the first place (Not that I'm a great > admirer of companders.)? > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13

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