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Re: KW Likelihood of forthcoming releases
by Oh Jay 12 Oct '02

12 Oct '02

well ... to get back to an actually interestin' topic here , i can only suggest that people should look & listen to the live-dvd release of underworld , called "ev'rythin' , ev'rythin' ..." , in order to understand , what is already possible with that medium right now !!! ;-) maybe one ( or even all !? ;-) of the kraftwerkers own a copy of that live-dvd & have played around with their possibilities to alter the look & sound of certain parts of it !? *sly_grin* ;-) anyway ... i'm not expectin' more or less than this "state-of-the-art" live-dvd from kw in the not sooo far future !!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay , who really DOESN'T expect "a ( really ) new album" of kw anymore ... ONLY some kind of live-dvd or maybe finally ... a kind of kw "anthology" on several dvds !!! ;-) *~\^/~*

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(OT) A paper on the current state of affairs
by Per-Olof Karlsson 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

THE SETTING A half-dead mailing list devoted to a band who have been sleeping for basically 16 years and where news are far and between. A couple of German intellectuals of different attitudes; one noticeably for the concept of fascism while some others seem to subscribe to the theory of rebellion and encouraging verbal combat. One set of rules governing said mailing list and a now-defunct list operator who is no longer able to oversee and employ the code of conduct. THE ACCUSATION - PART 1 - THE FASCIST ACCUSES THE WORLD I will begin my analysis by investigating one particular individual. This individual represents an interesting opinion, since one the one hand he is vigourously fighting for the general public's adherence to the rules, while on the other hand he breaks them in most about every single posting he is producing. We have here a typical example of the psychological disorder commonly referred to as "I-want-to-eat-the-cookie-and-keep-it"-syndrome, first discovered by the famous psychologist Janek Ravolski of the Polish Institute (...) We will return to this in the next segment. Our "fascist", as I will call him throughout this text, without any derogatory meaning, appears as a person who is privately attacked for his views and opinions, and he feels that he has to inform as much of the waking world as possible of, what he believes, are sincere wrongs against him as a person. I must stress that there is nothing wrong with this in itself; it's the manner in which one conducts said missionary that is under investigation and not the contents. The second interesting fact about him is that in every second posting or so, we are presented with the notion that another mailing list is superior to ours, and that in that idealized world, all evils are non-present. This is the classical "The grass is greener on the other side"-syndrome, which has been disproven many a time by professionals, and I will therefore not venture into that arena. If we examine the rules that our "fascist" consistently stress as important and vital for our general well-being, we will find: * Avoid HTML, rich text, attachments and other non-text content. * Flames and/or attacks on other list members. It is appropriate to claim that our "fascist" is indeed correct in his accusations. HTML have been used in some postings, and there have indeed been some flames going back and forth, most noticeably from our "rebels"; more on this later. It can be argued that the old rule against HTML and Rich Text is more or less obsolete today, given the fact that many people use Web-based e-mail services where HTML is the only choice of format they are given. Bandwidth is hardly limited today either, which is the prime reason for disallowing anything but plain text in the first place. I believe we can safely assume that this rule is no longer an active one. Flames and/or attacks on other list members is more serious, however. If you analyze all flame wars on this mailing list where the suspects are involved, you will notice that in almost all of them, our "fascist" individual strikes back on a carelessly phrased original posting, or simply falls for the rebellious bait, usually planted there with intent of causing flames to spark by the before-mentioned "rebels". To conclude the accusations made by our "fascist", they are of limited value since any sane person can identify the trickery involved by our "rebels" to ignite the flames from our hot-tempered "fascist". THE ACCUSATION - PART 2 - THE WORLD AGAINST THE FASCIST Looking from things the other way around, e.g. claiming the "fascist" is the one to blame for the current state of affairs, we find some interesting facts. Let us first investigate if the "fascist" is indeed breaking any of the rules in his missionary to correct what he believes is wrong and utterly unfair. Analyzing the latest flames, we find that the following rules are ignored with ease, repeatedly as well: * Trim down quoted text. * Stay on-topic. * If someone else is misbehaving on the list, please report the problem to the list owner rather than trying to deal with it yourself. * Flames and/or attacks on other list members. * Off-topic or excessive advertisements. * Hoaxes and forged email. * Repostings of messages or emails written by other people, unless you have the permission of the original author. Here we can see that no less than 7 rules are broken over and over again by our "fascist". I will not go into excessive detail on how he manages to break them, but if challenged I will of course do so. Re-read the recent messages and you will easily find them, however. This is the main reasoning behind the case of the world against the fascist as I've decided to call this thread in the investigation. It must also be noted that apart from breaking all the rules listed above, our "fascist" repeatedly ignores requests of withdrawal from other list members who are not actively involved with in the debate, and this is generally considered to be a serious breach of etiquette. Instead of heeding to the requests, we are commonly greeted with renewed vigour and a long verbal statement claiming that he is acting solely for our own better good and that we had better believe it. CONCLUSION Weighing these two parallel investigations hand in hand, it is obvious that the main offender in this drama is our "fascist". It has to be noted however that he is indeed aided by the "rebels", who act as a bellow on the fire, so to speak, and who therefore also are guilty of uncivilized manners. It is furthermore quite possible that our "fascist" suffers from delusions and paranoia, which can be witnessed by the sudden surge of events when he is confronted or stressed by other list members. This typically reveals an uncertain personality isolated from the waking world, determined to control and infringe upon others personal lives, generally referred to as "If I don't have a life of my own, I'll invade other's lives as a substitute". Exactly the same behaviour is what Dr. Simon LaVey once framed as the "psychic vampire" (see "The Black Bible"), or: "he who lives on others". THE VERDICT Possibly due to a clash of personalities, or the scheme of a psychic vampire or devious rebels, the list have been infested with torturous long mails from "fascists" and "rebels" alike that absolutely noone has any wish to either read or receive. None of the mails or debates have ever had any context to this list, and are clearly off-topic. It is therefore my verdict that all such postings must cease immediately, from all involved parties. Any further discussions on this matter or on any of the topics brought up in this investigation will be used as a formal proof of the involved parties totally ignoring the rules of this list and/or the inability to read and understand an English text. Whichever is true, that person will publicly have violated the rules, and should therefore be banned as a consequence, and ridiculed by the general public until quiet. Signed, Dr. Per-Olof Karlsson Ph.D. Behavioral Sciences, Dept. of Psychology & Social Sciences, MÃ¤rsta University, Sweden

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The Paris show
by Roman von Contzen 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi! Lost my speechlessness. Don't you wonder - talking is my profession - i'm in the insurance industry. Just found a Associated Press article on the concert at Paris on Yahoo-News. They say that Jean-Michel Jarre, Jean Paul Gaultier and DJ Jeff Mills were at the thursday's show. Jarre told them that he especially was fascinated by "Radioactivity" and "Tour de France" and that he thinks that the minimalistic stage setup was a hommage to the Bauhaus style. By the way - I would really like to see the guys doing a web transmission from Kling Klang studio. I think that the internet as a medium offers more chances to develop something more new and unique than a interactive dvd with the old songs that we've heard a million times. These days i often wonder if the kraftwerk gigs differ so much from the common "Oldie-Nights" here in germany. In those events many artists (whom i have believed to be dead by now) appear on stage to sing their old songs from the seventies and eighties. Some of them are Harpo (Movie Star), The Sweet (?), Suzie Quattro (Devil gate drive), Showaddywaddy (The cat crept in), Sailor (Glass of champagne)... - so called "one hit wonders". Cheers Roman

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Re: this is your new "list dictator" speakin' , so better listen carefully ... or get spammed relentlessly , folx !!!
by Oh Jay 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

From: "Shaun" <sv(a)creative-genius.fsnet.co.uk> > FUCK OFF AND TAKE YOUR immature rantings somewhere else! that's what i really wanted to do ... no matter , if u believe it or not , but as long as "mr. arthurbahn" , "dual reaction" etc. still continue to waste our time & bandwith with their bloody nonsense & unedited html crap , i'll simply have to FORCE some new rules upon y' all , sorry ( well ... not really ... anymore ) !!! :-/ > I don't want to have to wade thru all this shit everyday, > I want to read INTERESTING stuff! ***_ME_TOO_***_!!! >:-O but sadly enough , some people WON'T listen to reasonable & logical arguments any longer - if @ all !!! :-/ - here's what WILL happen the next time that i'll get some unedited html crap etc. in a daily digest : i'll repost THE_COMPLETE_DAILY_DIGEST_IN_HTML_FORMAT to this list ... without any further comments !!! well ... that's what u'll get for bein' sooo damned unreasonable , lazy- & / or stupid-arsed , folx !!! :-o fyi : this rule is in effect FROM_NOW_ON ... so u better ***_STOP_*** postin' unedited html ( but also plain text !!! ) crap etc. here EVER again ... or u'll have to suffer from a rather HUGE amount of spam in return !!! PERIOD_!!! oh jay - your new "list dictator" !!! *~\^/~*

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KW Likelihood of forthcoming releases
by anthony.ristic＠btopenworld.com 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Hi all, It's astounding how quickly the list turned to shite after what was a good period (before, during and after the recent KW live shows). I remember my first posting at the beginning of this year. I got this really hyper-sensitive and babyish reaction from Oh Jay. He had some credible things to say and I respected his views at the time but man, this guy obviously lacks the maturity to 'not take people and their scribblings at FACE VALUE'. A list like this is meant to be a place where you can sound off if you want but Jesus, I do not expect every single thing I say to be scrutinized and put into a wider context. So shut the fuck up Oh Jay, OK? lay low for a while, all you seem to do is criticize and think of negative things to say about people's suggestions and ideas. If a guy said that he spoke to Florian, and a new album may be in the pipeline, well MAYBE IT IS. There's no need to shout them down and adopt a bisbelieving tone. My second posting was to inform fellow subscribers that I had bought tickets to the Paris shows. Just to inform everyone about the PROCESS which may have been helpful. Oh Jay comes out with - I still don't believe these concerts will actually take place until I hear it from EMI/Sony themselves. Keep listening out dude. Right, I will not respond to any flame return mail - let me make that clear - that is how to avoid shitemail. As for a new album, and I have no sound basis or evidence on which to base this let me make that clear; Is it not LIKELY, given the wonderful use of digital sound at recent KW shows, that we are really due for a KW live double vinyl, cd and 5.1 DVD incorporating their classics and perhaps 2,3 or 4 new songs but within the 'live' context. I will put money on the fact that they will not use any recordings made during the Paris shows BECAUSE HARDLY ANYONE WAS DANCING AND THE ATMOSPHERE AMONGST THE CROWD SUCKED! To get the list back to some level of interest, does anyone have any reports from the Luxembourg show. Did it actually take place? What's the story there? _ _ > < (((O))) Anthony

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: videos of ( the ) "electric cafe" ( album ) ...
by Mige Iranzo 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Well, Bob Ludwig has mastered almost all the Dire Straits albums... >From: "arthur brehm" <akbrehm(a)web.de> >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: videos of ( the ) "electric cafe" ( album ) >... >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:01:26 +0200 > > >btw : i know for sure ( from a good ol' friend of mine , who already worx >since > >many years in n. y. c. together with people like francois kevorkian , ron >st. > >germain & also with the masterdisk "legend" bob ludwig ;-) > >who the fuck ist bob ludwig? ****SLYEST_GRIN_YOU_CAN_IMAGINE**** > >****HARRHARR**** HEHEHE ;-)))))) > >best wishes from the rhineland *harrharr* ;-)) > >arthur(bahn) :-))) >---------------- >www.arthur-brehm.de >www.klanghof.de >www.duesselklang.de >www.network81.com >www.computerliebe81.de >www.klingklangwerk.tk >www.schaufensterpuppen.tk > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk /\ /\ S T O P Â¯Â¯()Â¯Â¯ R A D I O A C T I V I T Y /\ Â¯Â¯ _________________________________________________________________ Ãnase al mayor servicio mundial de correo electrÃ³nico: http://www.hotmail.com/es

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Re: about certain RUMORS & general RESPECT for each other ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

From: anthony.ristic(a)btopenworld.com > If a guy said that he spoke to Florian, > and a new album may be in the pipeline, well MAYBE IT IS. > There's no need to shout them down and adopt a bisbelieving tone. well ... u must be confusin' me with somebody else , as i WASN'T the one , who even commented IN_ANY_WAY on this statement from "don" schneider !!! :-o > Oh Jay comes out with - I still don't believe these concerts > will actually take place until I hear it from EMI/Sony themselves > Keep listening out dude. as "kraftwerkfans" we're simply used to WAY_TOO_MANY_RUMORS , which jus' turn out to be plainly wrong in the end , so it's jus' what can be called "nous" in this case that made me SCEPTICAL about the 3 dates in a row , especially because it were even 2 on one & the same day , which is HIGHLY_UNUSAL , but - as we know by now ;-) - NOT necessarily impractical for a band like kw to do this ... luckily enough !!! ;-) ... & yes , i simply have to admit that ***_I_WAS_WRONG_!!!_*** in this specific case , which only proves that i'm a normal human bein' too btw !!! *hehehe* ;-))) so what's all this hassle about , mate !? :-o anyway ... treat your fellow "kraftwerkfans" with some RESPECT & u'll soon find out that u're treated with some RESPECT too , but if u start messin' around with them & ESPECIALLY_WITH_ME , they & i simply WON'T treat u with RESEPCT anymore ... for very obvious reasons !!! :-/ btw : that's THE_ONLY_RULE that i like to see u & ***_EV'RYBODY_ELSE_*** here too to be actually followed , if u want to come across as mature as u think that u are , mate !!! ;-) have i made myself clear for y' all by now , fellow "kraftwerkfans" ??? *jus'_curious* however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: videos of ( the ) "electric cafe" ( album ) ...
by Oh Jay 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

robert wrote : > I belive that the Video for Electric Cafe was produced alongside > with the album, excuse me please , but it's indeed news to me that there ever was a video to the song "electric cafe" !!! *somehow_puzzled_look* ... or are u jus' talkin' about THAT famous "music non stop" video FROM the "electric cafe" album then ??? *pure_curiosity* btw : i know for sure ( from a good ol' friend of mine , who already worx since many years in n. y. c. together with people like francois kevorkian , ron st. germain & also with the masterdisk "legend" bob ludwig ;-) that the original runnin' order of kw's "electric cafe" album was a lil' bit diff'rent than on the final product & that some traxxx ( or songs ;-) were also "a lil' bit diff'rent" ( in their length & also in the way the sound effects were used on them !!! ;-) , but i'm NOT goin' into details here ... & u can certainly imagine , WHY i WON'T do this ... can't u , eh !? *MWG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: talkin' about THE_DIFF'RENCE ... ;-)
by Oh Jay 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

georg jajus schrieb : > *mmmmh* What must go on in the head of a human being, > calling himself a dictator? fyi : it's indeed A_BIG_DIFF'RENCE if i call myself "a list dictator" ... or jus' a list dictator , simply because the quotation marks make that diff'rence !!! ;-) maybe one fine day u'll also be able to understand the concept of usin' certain signs or CAPITAL_LETTERS to make a diff'rence in what u ( want to ) say , dear "georgie boy" !? *still_hopeful_look* > Of course you know what happened to dictators in history. > Don't you ;-)? btw : ***_ALL_*** those dictators - WITHOUT a single exception !!! - ONLY became that powerful , because they were supported by thousands , if not millions of people ... for what reasons soever , so u better think again ( & much deeper this time , please !!! ) , before u assume "somethin'" here , okay !? *slyest_grin* ;-))) > Anyway, maybe it's the best time to unsubsribe to this list, > I don't want to read +/- 50 useless postings a day. yeah ... & that's indeed a pretty good reason to join the "kraftwerkfans" yahoogroup ( but wait , u're already a member there , "georgie boy" !!! ;-) , simply because in that group such flame wars like the last ones here have NEVER_EVER happened there ... ALBEIT i'm even the "list dictator" ( & founder ) of that group & have SEVERAL "subordinated" co-moderators there too !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) isn't that "strange" somehow , eh !? *XLG* ;-))) i supppose that it's simply SELF-EXPLANATORY in this case , WHY the "kraftwerkfans" yahoogroup HAS_NEVER & also WILL_NEVER see some kind of flame war etc. there then !!! ;-) jus' think about that , dear "georgie boy" !!! *BWG* ;-))) however ... many greetinx , oh jay , your friendly "list dictator" !!! *ROTFLMAO* ;-))) *~\^/~*

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"Showroom Dummies" video
by nordloewe 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

hi, everybody! does anyone here know where i can d/l a good quality version of the "Showroom Dummies" video? i already have that old (and likely well-spread) 24.9Mb version on QuickTime format but i'm looking for something clearer. any suggestions? Aze von Helder www.prolapse.org/airenterre/flash

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