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My PARIS 26/09/02 at 20:00 experience
by Rafa 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Hi all, Some years ago that I don't write to the list (I was deckard(a)arrakis.es) but now I would like to express some comments about my PARIS 26/09/02 at 20:00 experience. 1. Before the show I saw a man who looks like Jean Michael Jarre. He was sat at reserved seats in front of the stage. anyone more saw him? Was really Jarre? 2. The new stage presence is very cool and very elegant (very KW) but my heart miss the old KlingKlang stage, the robots,the calculators (and the Florian "electrical" and "human" solos with his calculator). 3. The "crash" in the beginning with THE ROBOTS (KW is Human) and Florian saying goodbye with his hand to the public with a good sense of humour (KW is Human 2). 4. My regrettable incident with a stupid security man when I was taking a photo in middle of TOUR DE FRANCE ;-P 5. Florian blowing his nose with a handkerchief furtively between two songs ;-) (KW is Human 3 and In Paris it was very cold!!!!) 6. My girlfriend who knews very little about Kraftwerk before the concert, enjoyed very much the show 7. I meet two boys from Italy in the queue before the show (sorry I don't remember your names). They were very nice and he was dressed in The Man Machine style and one of them has a autograph of Ralf in his ticket (COOOOL!!!!) 8. I miss the hi-tech suits, why they didn't use them???? I love them!! --------------- RAFA from Spain ---------------

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( ot ) Re: especially to chris ...
by Oh Jay 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

chris wrote : > what i find most annoying is oh jays "must reply to everything" attitude...we have to PUT UP WITH THIS CRAP REGULARLY and it MAKES SCROLLING VERY DIFFICULT and it contains UNNECESSARY AMOUNTS of CRAP...his responses will always be longer than any original comment...see below... < > > please stop it well ... if u ( & also others !!! ) STOP postin' messages to the whole list , if they SHOULD indeed be intended to go to people PRIVATELY , i'll most likely also STOP postin' such replies here !!! that's ALL i have to say to this threat ... erm ... thread finally !!! oh jay *~\^/~*

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Artisitic?
by John Shilcock 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

I've wanted to ramble for a while now and now that I've just downed a pint of lager I find that I am able to *smiles*... I think it'll be a bit long... sorry for that..... you can always fast forward.... *he he* In the 70's Kraftwerk appear on the scene and perform "weird" electronic music.. they go on tours to promote new songs and tunes. People think who are these guys, but many get hooked. In the 80's Kraftwerk release a new material. This time when they tour they bring their studio with them. They play funny looking instruments but doesn't it sound good! People are blown over once more. In the 90's things have changed only a little. Kraftwerk tour again... the stage looks basically the same as it did 10 years earlier... the sound / style of the songs and tunes has changed though (but it is still KRAFTWERK).. but hardly any new material. Now in the 00's (naughty's?) Kraftwerk perform again....no new material to mention... just re-werkings of old material.. using newer technology... but as always the performances sound like any other Kraftwerk concert - GREAT!! But... take a step back for a second or two... what have they actually done? Sampled their own music and put it on to a PC then have those play our well loved favorites. I would have been far more impressed if Kraftwerk had done this with new material. All that I have been thinking over the last couple of days is surely anyone can do what they are now doing? Any artist can put their music on to PC with software like Cubase and twiddle a couple of numbers to produce some "live" effects.... but dare I say it in here.... isn't that boring? Please don't get me wrong.. if I knew there was to be a Kraftwerk concert over here in the UK I'd be there... The sound quality alone would do it for me, and to hear the songs I love being blasted out with a bass that makes your stomach move is wonderful *sighs*... but I think there is something missing... the "artist" has gone.... maybe it's been gone for a while (as Wolfgang mentions in his book)... but this series of concerts has brought it home to me more than it has before. Up until the 1980's Kraftwerk were innovative in their writing and in the technology they used. From that point on new material has been virtually non existant but Kraftwerk have kept abreast with technology.. the result can be seen and heard over the past week. It appears to me that the people who saw Kraftwerk for the first time at these recent concerts thought they were terrific. People who went to these concerts but had seen them before think the same.. but they think that the concerts they have seen before were "better"... now why could this be? Yes.. the first time is always the best ;o) but also weren't the "performances" better.... more human? Have Kraftwerk turned from being artists to just technicians? 70's-80's Man Machine 90's Machine Man 00's Machine I think, as someone in here mentioned - was it Oh Jay? - that these concerts may be used to produce a live CD and/or DVD. If there was something new in the pipeline... would you not use these concerts to promote it? We didn't see anything new... I doubt that we will. The end of my thoughts..... for now (hic)... but in the mean time.... Keep Werking John www.keepwerking.co.uk

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My PARIS 26/09/02 at 20:00 experience
by Rafa 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Hi all, Some years ago that I don't write to the list (I was deckard(a)arrakis.es) but now I would like to express some comments about my PARIS 26/09/02 at 20:00 experience. 1. Before the show I saw a man who looks like Jean Michael Jarre. He was sat at reserved seats in front of the stage. anyone more saw him? Was really Jarre? 2. The new stage presence is very cool and very elegant (very KW) but my heart miss the old KlingKlang stage, the robots,the calculators (and the Florian "electrical" and "human" solos with his calculator). 3. The "crash" in the beginning with THE ROBOTS (KW is Human) and Florian saying goodbye with his hand to the public with a good sense of humour (KW is Human 2). 4. My regrettable incident with a stupid security man when I was taking a photo in middle of TOUR DE FRANCE ;-P 5. Florian blowing his nose with a handkerchief furtively between two songs ;-) (KW is Human 3 and In Paris it was very cold!!!!) 6. My girlfriend who knews very little about Kraftwerk before the concert, enjoyed very much the show 7. I meet two boys from Italy in the queue before the show (sorry I don't remember your names). They were very nice and he was dressed in The Man Machine style and one of them has a autograph of Ralf in his ticket (COOOOL!!!!) 8. I miss the hi-tech suits, why they didn't use them???? I love them!! --------------- RAFA from Spain ---------------

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Pan Sonic
by Jorge estiels 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

hi there! what you'all think about Pan Sonic? i Love Them too!!! Soy un ser de luz!!

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Pan Sonic
by Paul Mennes 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

In my humble opinion Pan Sonic are a great band. Some people find their stuff too minimal or just plain weird. I love it. Don't expect any 'songs' but if you're willing to experience a different realm of sound, this is worth checking out. Fans of the Radio-activity album should find plenty of interesting stufff going on. What's little known about Pan Sonic is that at least one of them is a Country & Western fan. A friend of mine told me that one of the P S guys DJ'd one night playing C&W, wearing a cowboy hat! I don't know if they were kidding, but it sounds funny to me. Kind greetings Paul (from Belgium)

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Re: [Kraftwerk] ( ot ) my FINAL reply to arthur ...
by Chris Hatzis 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

> oh well ... some jerks will obviously NEVER learn a single thing from their > experiences !!! *grim* :-/ obviously not... > read my private reply to u carefully , arthur , as this is my FINAL reply to u > !!! > welcome to my personal killfiles !!! > > goodbye , u jerk !!! > > oh jay > > *~\^/~* but of course, hypocritically, you post it to the whole group... practice what you preach ch -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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KW in Japan
by Marston, Richard 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

Wow, why go all that way for one concert? Either the money's good or they want a nice little holiday stopover on the long haul to Aus. Maybe they'll study some Zen to help them strip down their set-up yet more... ;-) Anyway, if you're prepared to make the effort to go all that way to see them, you shouldn't miss a trip to Vinyl, the collector's shop in Shinjuku district. There are several Vinyl stores there, each covering a different range of music, but you'll find a lot of admittedly expensive KW collector's items in the electro & Krautrock shop at Vinyl Japan #1 (open 12:00-21:00 no holidays; phone 3365-0910; Nishi-Shinjuku 7-4-9). This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network.

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( ot ) my FINAL reply to arthur ...
by Oh Jay 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

arthur wrote : > applause! *fat_grin* ;-]]]] oh well ... some jerks will obviously NEVER learn a single thing from their experiences !!! *grim* :-/ read my private reply to u carefully , arthur , as this is my FINAL reply to u !!! welcome to my personal killfiles !!! goodbye , u jerk !!! oh jay *~\^/~*

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Kraftwerk Australian Concert
by Chris Hatzis 01 Oct '02

01 Oct '02

hello all i believe Kraftwerk will shortly announce their first Australian shows since 1981...they are to play the "Big Day Out" concerts in late January 2003 in Melbourne and Sydney (possibly more)...they will also do stand-alone shows to accompany these shows in each city... will email specific details as they come to hand... thanks chris hatzis -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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