I thought ambient with a beat was just ambient house. A term that the KLF used quite often and one that I think they came up with. -----Original Message----- From: tom maclean iii [mailto:tom@stereoboom.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:12 PM To: RMStringer Cc: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] more on the origins of trance i guess eno would be a logical place to start, if you want to talk about trance. i remember as late as 96, trance was basically defined to most people as ambient with a beat. funny, considering by 95 jackpot records was releasing some very polished trance tracks that could have very well been the ethos for modern oakenferrytiesto-ism (not to speak ill of jackpot - they STILL rock!).