if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name. I suppose it's possible that he used the riff as a starting point and built up the song around it, then mixed the riff right out of the track. But that doesn't make it any better. -paul
TheMgnt@aol.com wrote:
if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name.
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone?? jeff
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone??
Not to mention that the n'th cover version with the same old riff but new beats would be hell boring... ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "My head is spinnin' so my feet don't touch the ground My eyes is blinded by the light, my hearing deafened by the sound My body's shackin' like a leaf, my heart's been beatin' out of time My blood's been boilin' up inside and I've been fearin' for my life..."
if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name.
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone??
Maybe he doesn't need to do that, but that doesn't make it a good remix. I make remixes for rock bands in my spare time, but I try to at least keep their chords in my synths to resemble the original song just a little, weeny little bit. So, in my personal opinion, this is not a remix at all.
Martijn Melenhorst wrote:
if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name.
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone??
Maybe he doesn't need to do that, but that doesn't make it a good remix. I make remixes for rock bands in my spare time, but I try to at least keep their chords in my synths to resemble the original song just a little, weeny little bit. So, in my personal opinion, this is not a remix at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they're best held with the realization that they might hold no sway beyond one's own back yard (which, in this case, extends only to the way you like to conduct yourself behing the desk). And in this case, there are plently of people making remixes, buying them, playing them and owning the rights to the original material from which they were made who hold no such categorical definitions - and this has been the case for a long, long, time. The upshot of this thread is possibly that if familiarity is the sine qua non of your remix un-negotiables, then you should pass. Other than that, it's just so much bandwidth. jeff
I agree on that. It SUCKS!! RMStringer ========================================== Seek not every quality in one individual: *Confucius* -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Martijn Melenhorst Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 4:57 AM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF vs Villalolbos...
if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name.
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone??
Maybe he doesn't need to do that, but that doesn't make it a good remix. I make remixes for rock bands in my spare time, but I try to at least keep their chords in my synths to resemble the original song just a little, weeny little bit. So, in my personal opinion, this is not a remix at all. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
The same Aphex Twin who, when a courier knocked on his door to collect a remix of a Lemonheads track he was meant to have completed, realised he had totally forgot and gave the courier a CDR/DAT of some random AFX noodlings he had recently been working on? And it appeared on the CD single? =) IMHO just use sites like Juno to 'try before you buy', or file sharing clients if you are so inclined. It's all semantics anyway, and depends on how literally you define 'remix' And I mean "literally" too, as anyone who has heard Squaremeter's KLF 'remixes' will attest. Usually represented by the symbol for M-squared, which i can't represent here, with tracks like 'Kopyright Liberation' Squaremeter take a KLF track, blast it into a million fragments and reconstruct it as something else entirely. But it's pure KLF. Arguably tbc. theREALmxyzptlk <theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote: TheMgnt@aol.com wrote:
if you wanna buy it, or at least listen to it, not sure to hear any klf in this...
Yeah, exactly. So how can something like this be classified as a remix? I've never understood it. I guess it's one thing if it's on the single of the track being remixed, but something like this looks like an attempt to sell records by using the KLF name.
Ricardo Villalobos does not need to do that to sell records. He has a pretty large audience in the microhouse community, trust me. This is a series of records featuring people who WANTED to remix KLF records for whatever reason. As for it not sounding much like the original, that certainly doesn't take it from the realm of remixing at all. Aphex Twin, anyone?? jeff _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
Simon Glass wrote:
The same Aphex Twin who, when a courier knocked on his door to collect a remix of a Lemonheads track he was meant to have completed, realised he had totally forgot and gave the courier a CDR/DAT of some random AFX noodlings he had recently been working on? And it appeared on the CD single? =)
IMHO just use sites like Juno to 'try before you buy', or file sharing clients if you are so inclined. It's all semantics anyway, and depends on how literally you define 'remix'
And I mean "literally" too, as anyone who has heard Squaremeter's KLF 'remixes' will attest. Usually represented by the symbol for M-squared, which i can't represent here, with tracks like 'Kopyright Liberation' Squaremeter take a KLF track, blast it into a million fragments and reconstruct it as something else entirely. But it's pure KLF. Arguably
tbc.
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Even when RDJ isn't doing things like that (and I love that anecdote! Can't recall the interview which spawned it), it's quite nearly as hard to spot what he's mixing when he's done. And all you've said is my point exactly. It's impossible to tell whether or not /how much/what source material is used once someone gets to deconstructing and DSP-ing the patient and you don't have to be Jacques Derrida to see that the 'remix' signifier is not as fixed as some might imagine. Personally I see it as more in the KLF spirit to run freely with whatever one chooses and let the chips fall where they may. And like Simon Says, caveat emptor. jeff
I've awaited my copy and I must say it's really the Villalobos style. Don't try seeing it from the klf's point of view but from his view. It's totally remodelled. More KLF004Y style IMHO. If you're into Villalobos, it certainly is a great track. If you're still into the old sound, I can imagine it's not your cup of tea. Maarten
From: theREALmxyzptlk <theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> Reply-To: theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net,"All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> To: Simon Glass <tygerbc@yahoo.com> CC: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF vs Villalolbos... Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:32:37 -0400
Simon Glass wrote:
The same Aphex Twin who, when a courier knocked on his door to collect a remix of a Lemonheads track he was meant to have completed, realised he had totally forgot and gave the courier a CDR/DAT of some random AFX noodlings he had recently been working on? And it appeared on the CD single? =) IMHO just use sites like Juno to 'try before you buy', or file sharing clients if you are so inclined. It's all semantics anyway, and depends on how literally you define 'remix' And I mean "literally" too, as anyone who has heard Squaremeter's KLF 'remixes' will attest. Usually represented by the symbol for M-squared, which i can't represent here, with tracks like 'Kopyright Liberation' Squaremeter take a KLF track, blast it into a million fragments and reconstruct it as something else entirely. But it's pure KLF. Arguably tbc.
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Even when RDJ isn't doing things like that (and I love that anecdote! Can't recall the interview which spawned it), it's quite nearly as hard to spot what he's mixing when he's done. And all you've said is my point exactly. It's impossible to tell whether or not /how much/what source material is used once someone gets to deconstructing and DSP-ing the patient and you don't have to be Jacques Derrida to see that the 'remix' signifier is not as fixed as some might imagine. Personally I see it as more in the KLF spirit to run freely with whatever one chooses and let the chips fall where they may. And like Simon Says, caveat emptor.
jeff
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Hi, "and now something completely different..." Well, I'm looking for a guy who's been or who still is on this list. I think his name is Derek and we had contact in times of the "Kompetition" (remember?). He was doing a remix of "Justified & Ancient" that never surfaced. He had only sent me two snippets from somewhere around the middle. The track was awesome and by far the best remix of a J&A ever. But he never finished it or at least I lost contact to him. Sadly enough I'm not able to find these snippets anymore. Can anyone help me? Thomas and Torsten have heard the bits and thought it was brilliant, too. So please, if anyone has a clue what his name is or where I could find him, please let me know. I HAVE to hear this track someday! Cheers, Dan --- a.k.a. Kuta, KLF Online (www.klf.de)
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