Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian
And another --- "Moreover, he has a point: given that CD sales are falling while live shows are packed out, there's certainly a chance that artists will give up making records and concentrate on performing." --- If it wasn't for recorded music and only live performances, how would I know about all the bands I like? Am I supposed to move to the UK just to listen to the stuff that isn't interesting for other German listeners? Would I be stuck with lame local bands who think they can play indie rock? ..::// Thomas
Drummond is just a rich white spoiled brat who lives in the most fortunate place in the world to catch live music. He's got everything he needs at his fingertips and is too lazy to get off his ass and do anything relevant. It's great to say that people "can focus on performing" but there's so many bands in so many places of the world and there's so many scenes that don't foster the development of good musicians and good performers. The bars want the popular bands who bring out their friends and drinking crowds so the they can make money off booze. Recorded music is only over for Londoners and New Yorkers who can't afford rent, nevermind a CD, but there's so many people worldwide who still find excitement in buying an LP or a CD, listening to it at home, on their way to their shitty job, Drummond needs to get his head out of his ass and leave England before he claims to speak with ANY authority. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Thomas Touzimsky <tto@klf.de> wrote:
And another
--- "Moreover, he has a point: given that CD sales are falling while live shows are packed out, there's certainly a chance that artists will give up making records and concentrate on performing." ---
If it wasn't for recorded music and only live performances, how would I know about all the bands I like? Am I supposed to move to the UK just to listen to the stuff that isn't interesting for other German listeners? Would I be stuck with lame local bands who think they can play indie rock?
..::// Thomas
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Drummond is just a rich white spoiled brat who lives in the most fortunate place in the world to catch live music. He's got everything he needs at his fingertips and is too lazy to get off his ass and do anything relevant.
Years and years ago, if my memory serves me right, before the 2K gig and after the money-burning, there was a reader's letter in Wire or in some other mag (I can dig it up if there's interest), which used almost the very same words about B+J: "very rich and bored men". Although I still think that KLF _is_ the best band ever and ALL of their stuff is golden, I could understand what the reader meant. I think I never really got the point of the burning, the books, or Jimmy's one-off musical projects. Sure it sounds like fun, but only for the chosen. I mean, I never got the chance or money to go to the 2K gig, or any later prank. If I'd be living in London, at least I had a clue of their references. But for the usual fan anywhere else in the world... Now, not only I _fully_ understand that writer's anger, but I feel the same. Someone said actions speak louder than words, but for me, these actions are less moving than that (abandoned???) book project with Zodiac. The 17, or X$X or all that one-day projects MAY have some meaning in England, but for me over here the joke is totally lost. Or worse: I feel that the joke is on the audience and the participants, even worse: the former fans. It's like we should ALWAYS pay attention if there's a chance to get them see again in what they once did best: making music, I mean all this WAITING (lol), just to fall flat on our faces again...again...and again! It's like some elitist stuff: once the filmed trip to Jura (at least that was BEAUTIFUL), then these arty-farty projects. You MUST be there to hear it, to participate, to...then BOOM, it will be deleted. Just like their back catalogue. What next, Bill buying up the fan's collections, just to destroy them? Come ON Bill, why did You formed the JAMS/KLF in the first place? Is he REALLY that furious about his former pop career? Or is it just an act? Who knows? Who cares???? Jeez. What is available now to Average Joe is the books, the usual CD's and not much else. No new music, no old music re-released, null, zilch, I mean f**k nothing. It's OK, at least I can treasure my stuff, but it's always annoying that nowadays more people know scooter than the KLF. Seriously. At least Jimmy did some music which can be re-listened, even if it's very far from anything they've done together. Now to the "content": Drummond DOES have some points, BUT what now? Forming choirs or folk-bands, performing rave music? Deller once did that, and he _did_ have some understandable references (miner bands, poverty, etc.). Imagine your local choir singing WTIL, or Altern8 tracks, or your local music teacher trying to play Autechre or Coil or Black Dog songs. F**k no, these artist were relevant because at that time noone could re-create their sounds. Thank God that there ARE recordings! Electronic music and popular music relies heavily upon recordings. It's not like Beethoven or Mozart. It depends on the equipment too. It's the sound of now, yet some parts of it became classics and therefore sheet music. But still there's no point stepping back those hundred steps and re-create. Even when there are a zillion Elvis impersonators, noone will re-create his voice again.
Recorded music is only over for Londoners and New Yorkers who can't afford rent, nevermind a CD, but there's so many people worldwide who still find excitement in buying an LP or a CD, listening to it at home, on their way to their shitty job,
...and there's always some interesting music which deserves to be bought. That's the way to support the artist to keep doing what he does. That's why we bought our KLF (and other) stuff. It may sound silly, but I still prefer the CD over mp3. I love the 12's, the 7's and the CD's. Just the music, in poor quality, no covers, no nothing, what's that? If it's important for one, why not buy it.
Drummond needs to get his head out of his ass and leave England before he claims to speak with ANY authority.
Exactly what I thought. Bill should get his act together and do something relevant, or at least retire in style, not just trying to be relevant and put others into the lights, then put the blame on them when his pranks don't work. Let's face it, he'll always be remembered as a part of KLF, no matter how hard he tries to be (or act like) a postmodern artist or a money-burning. Think about it: even burning one million (or some sum like that) couldn't erase the memories of their hits. KLF was pop music, with hits, some veiled references, but You weren't filed as "stupid" if You haven't got all their references instantly: the music STILL made sense. I think there are some other artist who suffer the same as Bill. Orb, Bjork, FSOL and others. Once they made fun and interesting music. Now they became, like, "Serious", and all the good stuff is gone, because they're like...Serious Post-Modern Artists. And if the audience doesn't get it, "they aren't intelligent enough". If that's the case, they can count me out and continue on their ego trips up into their asses, I won't buy it. I'd rather get some fresh and interesting music with proper lyrics and music, with more subtle messages. If a joke must be told over and over again, shoved down on the audience's throat and they STILL don't get it, it doesn't mean that they aren't schooled enough. There's STILL a fine line between stupid and clever, as that famous Spinal Tap quote said. _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
hmm- i dont thik this new project has any bearing on KLF. Dont expect them to come back either! ----- Original Message ----- From: klfboy _ To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favourof 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drummond is just a rich white spoiled brat who lives in the most fortunate place in the world to catch live music. He's got everything he needs at his fingertips and is too lazy to get off his ass and do anything relevant.
Years and years ago, if my memory serves me right, before the 2K gig and after the money-burning, there was a reader's letter in Wire or in some other mag (I can dig it up if there's interest), which used almost the very same words about B+J: "very rich and bored men". Although I still think that KLF _is_ the best band ever and ALL of their stuff is golden, I could understand what the reader meant. I think I never really got the point of the burning, the books, or Jimmy's one-off musical projects. Sure it sounds like fun, but only for the chosen. I mean, I never got the chance or money to go to the 2K gig, or any later prank. If I'd be living in London, at least I had a clue of their references. But for the usual fan anywhere else in the world... Now, not only I _fully_ understand that writer's anger, but I feel the same. Someone said actions speak louder than words, but for me, these actions are less moving than that (abandoned???) book project with Zodiac. The 17, or X$X or all that one-day projects MAY have some meaning in England, but for me over here the joke is totally lost. Or worse: I feel that the joke is on the audience and the participants, even worse: the former fans. It's like we should ALWAYS pay attention if there's a chance to get them see again in what they once did best: making music, I mean all this WAITING (lol), just to fall flat on our faces again...again...and again! It's like some elitist stuff: once the filmed trip to Jura (at least that was BEAUTIFUL), then these arty-farty projects. You MUST be there to hear it, to participate, to...then BOOM, it will be deleted. Just like their back catalogue. What next, Bill buying up the fan's collections, just to destroy them? Come ON Bill, why did You formed the JAMS/KLF in the first place? Is he REALLY that furious about his former pop career? Or is it just an act? Who knows? Who cares???? Jeez. What is available now to Average Joe is the books, the usual CD's and not much else. No new music, no old music re-released, null, zilch, I mean f**k nothing. It's OK, at least I can treasure my stuff, but it's always annoying that nowadays more people know scooter than the KLF. Seriously. At least Jimmy did some music which can be re-listened, even if it's very far from anything they've done together. Now to the "content": Drummond DOES have some points, BUT what now? Forming choirs or folk-bands, performing rave music? Deller once did that, and he _did_ have some understandable references (miner bands, poverty, etc.). Imagine your local choir singing WTIL, or Altern8 tracks, or your local music teacher trying to play Autechre or Coil or Black Dog songs. F**k no, these artist were relevant because at that time noone could re-create their sounds. Thank God that there ARE recordings! Electronic music and popular music relies heavily upon recordings. It's not like Beethoven or Mozart. It depends on the equipment too. It's the sound of now, yet some parts of it became classics and therefore sheet music. But still there's no point stepping back those hundred steps and re-create. Even when there are a zillion Elvis impersonators, noone will re-create his voice again.
Recorded music is only over for Londoners and New Yorkers who can't afford rent, nevermind a CD, but there's so many people worldwide who still find excitement in buying an LP or a CD, listening to it at home, on their way to their shitty job,
...and there's always some interesting music which deserves to be bought. That's the way to support the artist to keep doing what he does. That's why we bought our KLF (and other) stuff. It may sound silly, but I still prefer the CD over mp3. I love the 12's, the 7's and the CD's. Just the music, in poor quality, no covers, no nothing, what's that? If it's important for one, why not buy it.
Drummond needs to get his head out of his ass and leave England before he claims to speak with ANY authority.
Exactly what I thought. Bill should get his act together and do something relevant, or at least retire in style, not just trying to be relevant and put others into the lights, then put the blame on them when his pranks don't work. Let's face it, he'll always be remembered as a part of KLF, no matter how hard he tries to be (or act like) a postmodern artist or a money-burning. Think about it: even burning one million (or some sum like that) couldn't erase the memories of their hits. KLF was pop music, with hits, some veiled references, but You weren't filed as "stupid" if You haven't got all their references instantly: the music STILL made sense. I think there are some other artist who suffer the same as Bill. Orb, Bjork, FSOL and others. Once they made fun and interesting music. Now they became, like, "Serious", and all the good stuff is gone, because they're like...Serious Post-Modern Artists. And if the audience doesn't get it, "they aren't intelligent enough". If that's the case, they can count me out and continue on their ego trips up into their asses, I won't buy it. I'd rather get some fresh and interesting music with proper lyrics and music, with more subtle messages. If a joke must be told over and over again, shoved down on the audience's throat and they STILL don't get it, it doesn't mean that they aren't schooled enough. There's STILL a fine line between stupid and clever, as that famous Spinal Tap quote said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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