Hi, everyone, I just wondered if there were anyone on the list who was an obsessive collector of KLF material before they reached megastardom and deleted their back catalogue? Obviously, there are semi-legendary (in our wee world) collectors/archivists from the early 90s like Ernie Longmire, Mike Dutton, Pete Robinson, etc etc: but was the excitement for hens-teeth records that big in 1990 or 1991? Or was it just the fact that they're stuff became deleted in 1992 that caused a collecting frenzy? For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available mail-order during the Stadium house period? Of course, things like "1987", "Waiting" and KLF4T were long-deleted, but they were the exception, rather than the rule, I think. John PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy? -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm
For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available mail-order during the Stadium house period?
They were big ripples in small ponds : pre "3AM" the circle of KLF fans was small, but fervent. I think they were available during the "Stadium House" period, but hard to find / mail order only. "What Time Is Love Story?" wasn't available. That fetched a huge price then as it does now.
PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy?
Probably not : at the time Bill & Jimmy seemed far more interested in the present and the future, not the past. If they were going to reissue anything they'd probably add a death metal thrash backing, sheep, choirs going "Mu Mu", dress up as Ice Cream Cones, get guest vocalists and rappers, and put a model submarine on the cover.
The 91 re-issues were legit. We sent a load out from Appearing in '91 to give media types an insight into Mu history. The colours seem a bit more vivid. I have both 3am and WTILs so I can see the difference. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Reed To: john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk ; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history
For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available mail-order during the Stadium house period?
They were big ripples in small ponds : pre "3AM" the circle of KLF fans was small, but fervent. I think they were available during the "Stadium House" period, but hard to find / mail order only. "What Time Is Love Story?" wasn't available. That fetched a huge price then as it does now. > PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues
sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy?
Probably not : at the time Bill & Jimmy seemed far more interested in the present and the future, not the past. If they were going to reissue anything they'd probably add a death metal thrash backing, sheep, choirs going "Mu Mu", dress up as Ice Cream Cones, get guest vocalists and rappers, and put a model submarine on the cover. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005
Anyone on the list go to the Barbican performance in 97? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lee To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history The 91 re-issues were legit. We sent a load out from Appearing in '91 to give media types an insight into Mu history. The colours seem a bit more vivid. I have both 3am and WTILs so I can see the difference. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Reed To: john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk ; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history > For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those > days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available > mail-order during the Stadium house period? They were big ripples in small ponds : pre "3AM" the circle of KLF fans was small, but fervent. I think they were available during the "Stadium House" period, but hard to find / mail order only. "What Time Is Love Story?" wasn't available. That fetched a huge price then as it does now. > PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues > sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy? Probably not : at the time Bill & Jimmy seemed far more interested in the present and the future, not the past. If they were going to reissue anything they'd probably add a death metal thrash backing, sheep, choirs going "Mu Mu", dress up as Ice Cream Cones, get guest vocalists and rappers, and put a model submarine on the cover. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Yes, I took a camcorder in and recorded it! Simon _____ From: klf-bounces+simon=antmusic.fsnet.co.uk@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+simon=antmusic.fsnet.co.uk@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of tim DENTON Sent: 18 January 2005 20:13 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: [KLF] The Barbican Anyone on the list go to the Barbican performance in 97? ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lee <mailto:andy@adlee.co.uk> To: All <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com> bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history The 91 re-issues were legit. We sent a load out from Appearing in '91 to give media types an insight into Mu history. The colours seem a bit more vivid. I have both 3am and WTILs so I can see the difference. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Reed <mailto:mr.markreed@virgin.net> To: john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk ; All <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com> bound for Mu-Mu Land. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history
For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those
days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available
mail-order during the Stadium house period?
They were big ripples in small ponds : pre "3AM" the circle of KLF fans was small, but fervent. I think they were available during the "Stadium House" period, but hard to find / mail order only. "What Time Is Love Story?" wasn't available. That fetched a huge price then as it does now.
PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues
sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy?
Probably not : at the time Bill & Jimmy seemed far more interested in the present and the future, not the past. If they were going to reissue anything they'd probably add a death metal thrash backing, sheep, choirs going "Mu Mu", dress up as Ice Cream Cones, get guest vocalists and rappers, and put a model submarine on the cover. _____ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 _____ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 _____ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Could you do some photos showing the difference? Would really appreciate that! :) For what it's worth, I was desperately trying to obtain their back catalogue during 1991/92 before they announced the deletion of it. -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lee Sent: 17 January 2005 21:23 To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history The 91 re-issues were legit. We sent a load out from Appearing in '91 to give media types an insight into Mu history. The colours seem a bit more vivid. I have both 3am and WTILs so I can see the difference. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark <mailto:mr.markreed@virgin.net> Reed To: john@highlandland.fsnet.co.uk ; All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [KLF] KLF collecting - a history
For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available mail-order during the Stadium house period?
They were big ripples in small ponds : pre "3AM" the circle of KLF fans was small, but fervent. I think they were available during the "Stadium House" period, but hard to find / mail order only. "What Time Is Love Story?" wasn't available. That fetched a huge price then as it does now.
PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy?
Probably not : at the time Bill & Jimmy seemed far more interested in the present and the future, not the past. If they were going to reissue anything they'd probably add a death metal thrash backing, sheep, choirs going "Mu Mu", dress up as Ice Cream Cones, get guest vocalists and rappers, and put a model submarine on the cover. _____ _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005
On 17 Jan 2005, at 17:18, John Milne wrote:
Hi, everyone,
I just wondered if there were anyone on the list who was an obsessive collector of KLF material before they reached megastardom and deleted their back catalogue?
Obviously, there are semi-legendary (in our wee world) collectors/archivists from the early 90s like Ernie Longmire, Mike Dutton, Pete Robinson, etc etc: but was the excitement for hens-teeth records that big in 1990 or 1991? Or was it just the fact that they're stuff became deleted in 1992 that caused a collecting frenzy?
For exactly, would a copy of "Love Trance" or "Madrugada Eterna" ETERNA1 have caused a frenzy back in those days? Wasn't even the rarer examples of the "regular" back catalogue (such as JAMSCD4 and "Space") available mail-order during the Stadium house period?
Of course, things like "1987", "Waiting" and KLF4T were long-deleted, but they were the exception, rather than the rule, I think.
John
PS - Does anyone know if the 1991 "Pure Trance" reissues (4T and 5T & R) were legitimate KLF reissues sanctioned (and presumably actively wanted) by Bill and Jimmy?
After reading all the stories and thoughts posted, i thought i'd chip in. Forgive me in advance, for i may ramble. My first ever purchase of klf related material was the primal remix of WTIL. (bought from spinn inn records in manchester, one of the original developers of the dance music industry we know today) I had heard the original pure trance green cover version but it lacked any punch for the sets i was playing at the time, so it was turned down. As for the primal remix, the stanley cubrick sample did it for me, it was ideal to drop/scratch into any set. If you've heard my chill out two work, the sample is featured from the very beginning Now i,m a little cloudy on dates and times, but i think my next buy was chill out on vinyl. This had a massive effect on me and was never off my 1210's. It was also essential for any after hours party. That was quickly followed by space on vinyl which again became a stock item at party's. After loving these recordings i found myself searching out and snapping up any klf related product. I bought chill out and space on cd, got shag times on vinyl and cd, who killed the jamms on vinyl, disco 2000 stuff and a rake of other releases. By the way none of them where expensive, if anything they where all at prices a lot lower than any other music i was buying at the time. Now fast forward a little and along came the stadium house trilogy, so in kicked my collecting head and all versions on all formats where purchased. Then came the chill out homage, which at the time was almost closure on the klf chapter, and a move to getting on with life and a future. I did however do a little catching up on early material, buying the kylie cd and WTIL story album off Mike Dutton and finding LTTT pure trance 12". (After all the only reason i'm a subscriber to this list is because of the explotations of Mr Dutton in relation to a little mix i did all those years ago) After that the klf went down hill for me. I still think IGUN and J&A are crap, but those early innocent days where a real joy and something that has never been musically matched. It's been very very interesting reading everyones thoughts and memories on there introduction to the KLF, thanks to you all. P.S. I still think a lot of Bill & Jim's work has stood the test of time, LTTT Pure trance is still totally uplifting and chill out still does exactly what it says on the cover. Cheers, JEZ.
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
Quoting Chris Peel <chris@k23productions.com>:
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
there are people who don't like it? i think it's one of the top three cauty/drummond tracks of all time. (i do prefer the JAMS version to the KLF version, though - it's rawer, harder.) micah stupak benthic recordings : soundings from unexplored places micah@benthic.cc .. www.benthic.cc ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
It's grim, it's apocalyptic yet so danceable, a seemingly simple 4/4 rhythm track with many surprises, I think it's among the best KLF tracks.
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
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Hi, in my eyes IGUN Part 1 is almost like an industrial symphony! It's got a very deep atmosphere in it what makes it different to all other JAMs or KLF tracks. Especially the end (Jerusalem) is absolutely outstanding and is one with the rest of the track. I suppose The Black Room would have been one of the greatest albums of all times... Cheers, Dan
It's grim, it's apocalyptic yet so danceable, a seemingly simple 4/4 rhythm track with many surprises, I think it's among the best KLF tracks.
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
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I DJ a 'Back to the old school' night at a local pub which I play house and dance from 1985 to 1995. I end the night with IGUN and it definately puts a good end to the night when the Jerusalem bit comes in. Oh - and I slip in all 3 'stadium house' tracks regularly :> Andrew On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Daniel (KLF Online) wrote:
Hi,
in my eyes IGUN Part 1 is almost like an industrial symphony! It's got a very deep atmosphere in it what makes it different to all other JAMs or KLF tracks. Especially the end (Jerusalem) is absolutely outstanding and is one with the rest of the track. I suppose The Black Room would have been one of the greatest albums of all times...
Cheers, Dan
It's grim, it's apocalyptic yet so danceable, a seemingly simple 4/4 rhythm track with many surprises, I think it's among the best KLF tracks.
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
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This was on the Stadium House Trilogy if I am correct. RMStringer ========================================== Seek not every quality in one individual: *Confucius* -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+rmstringer1971=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel (KLF Online) Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:43 AM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] IGUN - good or bad? Hi, in my eyes IGUN Part 1 is almost like an industrial symphony! It's got a very deep atmosphere in it what makes it different to all other JAMs or KLF tracks. Especially the end (Jerusalem) is absolutely outstanding and is one with the rest of the track. I suppose The Black Room would have been one of the greatest albums of all times... Cheers, Dan
It's grim, it's apocalyptic yet so danceable, a seemingly simple 4/4 rhythm track with many surprises, I think it's among the best KLF tracks.
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
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On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 12:09PM, RMStringer <rmstringer1971@comcast.net> wrote:
This was on the Stadium House Trilogy if I am correct.
yup you're right. from the faq: The track listing is: 1:19 [it must be obvious (ufo mix) unlisted; over opening credits] 3:50 3 a.m. Eternal 3:41 Last Train To Trancentral 4:15 What Time Is Love? 2:08 [it's grim up north (original) unlisted; closing credits] and the UK release adds a bonus ambient feature about the making of the videos: 14:41 This Is Not What The KLF Is About -- --- "hi Randal!" "thirty-seven?!?"
The video for IGUN is great as well. It fits the mood of the song perfectly along with Bill's vocal delivery.
IGUN ROCKZ! I also prefer the 28T grey vinyl version from V1/2 on 28R... maybe it's because i own one of this beauties :P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Peel" <chris@k23productions.com> To: "'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.'" <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: [KLF] IGUN - good or bad?
Jez's comment about IGUN got me wondering - I love it (not least as I'm from 'The North' and Chester was mentioned in it) - what do others on the list think of it?
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