It doesn't piss me off Chris. Anyone else?

This is the fourth message you've sent to the list in under 75 minutes about your FTP server that doesn't have an [FTP] prefix. Why is it so hard for you to type three letters and a set of brackets, when it's been established (a) as list policy to do it, and (b) that it pisses a lot of people off when you repeatedly refuse to do it?

It doesn't piss me off Chris.

Anyone else?

Nor me :-)

That unsubscribing tells more about that person actually doing it than RMStinger, if you'll pardon me. Thomas Touzimsky wrote:

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It doesn't piss me off Chris.

Anyone else?

Nor me :-)

Not really, but it proves a certain amount of ignorance after a week long discussion and the unsubscription of a long time member of the mailing list... poor, poor.

--- Thomas Touzimsky International Man Of Mystery

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Quoting RMStringer <RMStringer@austin.rr.com>:

If you don't like leave also....sorry I forgot to do it as I just answered a question for a list member. If he did not do it should he also be chastised?

I dunno. Does he ever post anything other than "CAn some1 u/l to my server?" or "Is this on my FTP?" or "WHO has [completely non-K-related track] and can encode and u/l?"? Did he inspire a week-long argument on this list, the most divisive I've seen in eight years here, that was settled by collective agreement on him using the prefix? In the months since that agreement, did he consistently fail to do so? Deleting it isn't the problem - hell, months before the listwar, I'd already gotten fed up with Mr Stringer's endless, illiterately-phrased pleas for people to steal music for him and filtered his address directly to trash at home, so I only see his posts when out of town or checking my mail at work. The problem is that a situation that disrupted the list terribly and led to the departure of at least one long-term, usefully contributing listmember had a solution democratically proposed within the list and accepted by Mr Stringer. If it didn't upset a lot of people, then there wouldn't have been the listwar in the first place - but as other objections by people who don't filter his posts (and remember, the whole point of the [FTP] prefix is so that people who still want to read his biannual on-topic posts [such as, say, telling us that Cressida is actually P.P. Arnold] can FILTER THAT PREFIX) indicate, he's still, through carelessness, stupidity or wilful desire to give people the shits, not doing it. So, Bad Wisdom, eh? Anyone got the new Love Reaction album or Collateral Damage and want to tell us if there are the usual Drummond references in either?

fscking hell here we go again :( anyone that isnt RMStringer may as well hit delete now.

If someone left, it was something wrong with him or her.

not necessarily. thats a broad assumption to make.

Filter the fucking posts.

thats what we want to do. however, because you wont remember to put [FTP] (6 keystrokes including shift) at the front of your bloddy ftp related messages, we cant.

Throw all my email in the trash if my post bother you so much, do not read them at all.

my problem with this is just occasionally you might post something worth reading. censorship isnt the answer, and killfiling you, as tempting as it is, isnt the answer either. its a bandaid of a solution. it hides the problem. the real answer is for you to remember to press 6 keys. hotkey the bloddy thing if you're that lazy.

I am so sorry if all you have to do is police my posts to the list. I wish

dont know about the others, but i have many other things to do. i selfcensor myself from reminding you that you've forgotten [FTP] (remember - only 6 chars) many times.

that is all I had to do. WOW what a life u lead. I just go to school and have a new family.

get real. probably more than less on this list have lives and better things to do. hell, some probably have a family, a job and go to school. one of the things i like to do (in my spare time) is read klf related mail. unfortunetly, the list is often ftp related mail. i'm not going elsewhere cos this is the very well established, and documented everywhere, klf list. i dont ever recal it being "RMStringers FTP list". <lowblow> from the sounds of some of your posts, i wonder if the list is older than you are </lowblow>

I am sick of your all the time berating me.

so stop doing it! its easy. you remember to put in [FTP] and we'll all stop complaining. do you enjoy causing all this mail? i cant understand why you just cant remember to put in those 5 chars. *L* i am sick of your all the time forgetting to put [FTP]

I run a service to this list for its members.

no you dont. the members have nothing to do with it. you run a ftp server for your benifit. the fact it has some klf on there does not make it a service for the members. fsck, you could be giving your server details out on many lists.

If the ftp posts about KLF material are asked. I will answer them on the list.

thats good. all we're asking is you remember to preface with [FTP]

If I think to use the brackets [], I will.

and if you dont, i think someone will remind you until you do.

Good night sir.

its afternoon here, but have a good sleep. best wishes brendan ps - i'm amazed you remembered to snip away the previous text. quite surprised me.

taken offline cos its boring. quick summary * RMStringer is perfectly within his rights to post ftp messages and not snip redundant text * its also everyone elses right to complain every time he does * its also everyone who didnt complains right to complain about those who do. so this circle will continue and continue until someone decides to stop the circle *L* just delete me, brendan

On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 07:20:11PM +1100, brendan wrote:

quick summary

* RMStringer is perfectly within his rights to post ftp messages and not snip redundant text

* its also everyone elses right to complain every time he does

* its also everyone who didnt complains right to complain about those who do.

now _this_ i agree with :-) the complaints will continue, as will the mails without [FTP] ho hum -- "Commit the oldest sins in the newest kind of ways." - Shakespeare

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I dunno. Does he ever post anything other than "CAn some1 u/l to my server?" or "Is this on my FTP?" or "WHO has [completely non-K-related track] and can encode and u/l?"? Yes he did.

and the ratio of ftp vs help is?

He has contributes and helped out lost of people also.

so did the ppl who left because of it

one person posting about 120 times "STOP THIS NONSENSE" on the KLF mailinglist because of some small fight.

from memory, i believe it was the same fight. i can check if you'd like.

That was much worse than this. Second, he did not "inspire" anyone to do so. If a computer game inspires you to kill people, it's still *your* fault, not that of the game's creators.

hmm..thats debateable. if i post straightup offensive racist crap posts, and then someone complains, it sure would seem like i inspired it.

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In the months since that agreement, did he consistently fail to do so? I never saw him agreeing on anything. An agreement is usually made between two parties, of which he wasn't one.

i'm too lazy now to go check, but no so lazy i wont reply. generally, in matters that affect a lot of people, not all of who are actively reading and posting, a majority vote is generally taken as the lists wishes. the list wishes he'd put in [FTP]. maybe not technically an agreement i agree. however, it still stands that people are annoyed with his lack of effort in typing six keystrokes

And even then you bother to bore us with your nerd-like mailing-list behaviour 'rulez0rz', or whatever you guys call it.

i take offensive with that. its not nerd like. its bloddy historical fact. you really shouldnt debate technical matters if you dont know what goes on at a technical level. RMStringer has already tried that. it just shows your ignorence of whats going on. and nobody has ever typed in 'skript kiddie' that i recall. happy to be corrected though - just post the sender and date and time of the list mail that did, and I'll happily dig out my archives and check.

Still this is a problem of that one person leaving. I have joined this list for KLF, not to learn about mailinglist-trivia-nerd-rulez0r-stuff.

I also joined for klf news, just not FTP news.

Let us count the number of people who really are bothered by this issue at all... eehm... 1?

jeez Marijn, how long have you been on the list? if you bother to check the archives, you'll see this has happened time and time again, and theres more than 1 person who's bothered by it. if you're gonna debate, at least have some idea of what led up to the debate, and preferably some understanding of it too. lets take a different point of view for a moment, and see what you think of the ending. lets just assume that rmstringer cant get it, and continues to post without the preface. thats fine, cos after all "you can just hit delete". then, what if everyone who doesnt like it, responds to the list with a simple message reminding him that he didnt do it. its no problem to you, cos you can "just hit delete". now, lets assume theres a lot of ppl who remind him. you're hitting delete a lot now, doesnt it get annoying?

There were more heated arguments in the past. I remember the period of one person posting about 120 times "STOP THIS NONSENSE" on the KLF mailinglist because of some small fight. That was much worse than this.

A small fight ? SMALL ? *lol* It was the imho biggest mailing list flame war ever on this list, resulting of the 1.300 $ Love Trance 12" and Miles kindly asking for 10 $ for a copy (which I think is a reasonable price and was happily willing to pay). Miles left the list because he got pissed off by the offense caused by various list members that had the hillarious opinion that it is their right to request music for free - music for which Miles had paid 1.300 $ before. Go and dig out the mailing archives if you want to know more. Small... *rofl*

Second, he did not "inspire" anyone to do so. If a computer game inspires you to kill people, it's still *your* fault, not that of the game's creators.

But the creator could have easily lower the level of violence if he wanted to, preventing somebody killing another person. And adding [FTP] to a single post is no problem as well - IF SOMEONE WANTED TO.

I never saw him agreeing on anything. An agreement is usually made between two parties, of which he wasn't one.

Yeah, just like I don't agree on the tax policies in my country but still have to pay.

And even then you bother to bore us with your nerd-like mailing-list behaviour 'rulez0rz', or whatever you guys call it.

You see, even THAT could have been prevented in the first place by three letters and two damn brackets.

Still this is a problem of that one person leaving. I have joined this list for KLF, not to learn about mailinglist-trivia-nerd-rulez0r-stuff.

I didn't join it to read dozens of FTP messages over and over.

Let us count the number of people who really are bothered by this issue at all... eehm... 1?

So how many people does it take in your opinion to reason a change, no matter what kind of ? 10 ? 20 ? 100 ? And does anyone got the right to determine that number ? --- Thomas Touzimsky International Man Of Mystery

That sounds really 'american'-like. It's the freedom of the author to create a game the way he wants.

So you create a game, and after releasing it, a few thousand people come back to you and say it was crap. Wouldn't that make you think about your game ?

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Yeah, just like I don't agree on the tax policies in my country but still have to pay.

Ah, now we're getting somewhere. That's taxes, for which, you probably don't believe this, the majority of your country has voted.

I know that they voted. Me was even part of them, and not for the first time. But no matter who or how often you vote, it just don't get any better. Just like RMStringer's ftp posts.

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So how many people does it take in your opinion to reason a change, no matter what kind of ? 10 ? 20 ? 100 ? And does anyone got the right to determine that number ?

Well, more than a vast minority at least...

Ok, then count me in. --- Thomas Touzimsky International Man Of Mystery

I remember the war that is being spoken of...wow, bigger than this :flame"...... RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Touzimsky Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:13 AM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [TW*NT] [KLF] [META] [FTP] Bad Wisdom Soundtrack on Kalevala Records

There were more heated arguments in the past. I remember the period of one person posting about 120 times "STOP THIS NONSENSE" on the KLF mailinglist because of some small fight. That was much worse than this.

A small fight ? SMALL ? *lol* It was the imho biggest mailing list flame war ever on this list, resulting of the 1.300 $ Love Trance 12" and Miles kindly asking for 10 $ for a copy (which I think is a reasonable price and was happily willing to pay). Miles left the list because he got pissed off by the offense caused by various list members that had the hillarious opinion that it is their right to request music for free - music for which Miles had paid 1.300 $ before. Go and dig out the mailing archives if you want to know more. Small... *rofl*

Second, he did not "inspire" anyone to do so. If a computer game inspires you to kill people, it's still *your* fault, not that of the game's creators.

But the creator could have easily lower the level of violence if he wanted to, preventing somebody killing another person. And adding [FTP] to a single post is no problem as well - IF SOMEONE WANTED TO.

I never saw him agreeing on anything. An agreement is usually made between two parties, of which he wasn't one.

Yeah, just like I don't agree on the tax policies in my country but still have to pay.

And even then you bother to bore us with your nerd-like mailing-list behaviour 'rulez0rz', or whatever you guys call it.

You see, even THAT could have been prevented in the first place by three letters and two damn brackets.

Still this is a problem of that one person leaving. I have joined this list for KLF, not to learn about mailinglist-trivia-nerd-rulez0r-stuff.

I didn't join it to read dozens of FTP messages over and over.

Let us count the number of people who really are bothered by this issue at all... eehm... 1?

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["Cressida is actually P.P. Arnold"]This was a thought that I had a long tome a go and no one ever told me different 'cus it has never been asked to my knowledge. I have the Stadium House on VHS. I bought the video at Hastings records and tapes store in Collage back in 1990. I knew very little about the KLF, I only knew that I liked them and I thought that this was going to be the White room movie. I was 19 yrs old then. I have since amassed a great collection of material on my server that I freely give to the list. I have never monitored who was on it from the list. I might bump a person now and again if I need my bandwidth. I have since learned about the KLF much more, their history and the likes from the list. I have been on the list for about 2 years and have stayed on it thought a lot of shit that other people have started. If the brackets will make you happier, I will try to remember to use them. Most of the KLF material I have is out of print and if people have a broadband Internet connect, they should have the same as well. The band is DEAD! Leave the situation alone. I offer other music as well. IF other people don't want to read my posts, fucking delete them as well. I have near 60 gigs online, but also, it is my personal music that I am offering to the list and to other people. It is my freaking workstation that is the server. I offer other stuff b/c the KLF are gone. The Drummond stuff in my opinion sucks. Oh well, I need to go pay for school and talk to my daughter's teacher. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf

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It doesn't piss me off Chris.

Anyone else?

Nor me :-)

Not really,

it does me. i cant filter his posts until RMStringer learns to stick to it.

but it proves a certain amount of ignorance after a week long

perhaps stupidity?

discussion and the unsubscription of a long time member of the mailing list... poor, poor.

i think this is what bugs me more. its caused so much trouble and wasted bandwidth on the list, but he cant get it through his head.

Thank you. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hawx Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:56 PM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] [META] [FTP] Bad Wisdom Soundtrack on Kalevala Records I bet it took a lot more effort to write that than it would have to have pressed Delete. There are a lot more important things to worry about in this world than fretting and getting worked up about deleting a couple of poxy emails. Chris H Chris wrote:

This is the fourth message you've sent to the list in under 75 minutes about your FTP server that doesn't have an [FTP] prefix. Why is it so hard for you to type three letters and a set of brackets, when it's been established (a) as list policy to do it, and (b) that it pisses a lot of people off when you repeatedly refuse to do it?

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