did you keep a text file of the track breaks? it would save me a bunch of heartache if you were willing to share. please let me know and thanks! lysergic

Unfortunately, all of the DATs were mp3ed as one long track per DAT, so it took me quite some time to develop tracklistings, decide on good track-breaks, clean up the tapeflips etc., and burn them to audio CDs.

lysergic wrote:

did you keep a text file of the track breaks? it would save me a bunch of heartache if you were willing to share.

please let me know and thanks!

I've gotten mulitple request for this information, so I'm going to post it to the list, as previously posted to the Orb list on this subject... I have the information for the rest of the stuff, but not compiled in a handy format. I'll add it to my To Do list, but it'll be a while, if ever, unless someone wants to make it worth my while. ;) Chris ============= (When it comes to breaking tracks, I'm of the "do it when the next track identifiably starts" school; in most cases you could reasonably break the tracks anywhere from 30 seconds to a couple of minutes earlier.) ============= ABtU demos: Seems to be similar to, if not the same as, the one listed in Lazlo's discography. Min Sec Track Title 8 46 Music 2 Funk 2 (Sunburst demo) 5 52 Little Fluffy Clouds 8 17 Earth 16 00 Towers of Dub 7 07 Star 6 & 7 8 9 ============ Cambridge Corn Exchange 11/19/93 My final CD track listings are: Min Sec Track Title 15 02 Plateau 10 06 O.O.B.E. 9 56 Little Fluffy Clouds 10 10 Blue Room 10 10 Valley 9 00 Spanish Castles In Space 9 15 Star 6 & 7 8 9 9 28 Perpetual Dawn 6 46 A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain... 4 01 Towers Of Dub The actual MP3 file is broken down as follows: 0:00:00 - 0:15:02 Plateau 0:15:02 - 0:25:08 O.O.B.E. 0:25:08 - 0:35:04 Little Fluffy Clouds 0:35:04 - 0:45:14 Blue Room 0:45:14 - 0:55:41 Valley (excised approx. 1 second for tape flip at about 0:47:17) (excised digital silence from about 0:51:39 - 0:51:55) 0:55:41 - 1:04:41 Spanish Castles In Space 1:04:41 - 1:13:56 Star 6 & 7 8 9 1:13:56 - 1:23:25 Perpetual Dawn 1:23:25 - 1:30:10 A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain... 1:30:10 - 1:34:12 Towers Of Dub (criminally cut short) ============ Cambridge 1991 Similar to Patterns & Textures. My final CD track listing is: Min Sec Track Title 3 26 intro 7 26 Little Fluffy Clouds 6 04 Towers Of Dub 9 20 Perpetual Dawn 10 09 Star 6 & 7 8 9 6 39 Outlands 2 16 outro (loving u) The actual MP3 file is broken down as follows (with 75 fps): 0:00:00:00 - 0:03:26:15 intro 0:03:26:15 - 0:10:52:25 Little Fluffy Clouds 0:10:52:25 - 0:16:56:30 Towers Of Dub 0:16:56:30 - 0:26:16:53 Perpetual Dawn 0:26:16:53 - 0:36:25:53 Star 6 & 7 8 9 0:36:25:53 - 0:43:05:00 Outlands 0:43:05:00 - 0:45:21:15 outro (loving u) ============ For the Codpiece demos, the last 16 minutes or so of the big file is the Occidental mix; with the first part being one or both of the Easter Egg mix and the Moist Cow mix (I can't find any kind of reasonable break between Easter Egg and Moist Cow; perhaps Moist Cow is another name for the Occidental mix). Cocksville USA (from Axiom Dub - Mysteries Of Creation) is an edit of the "original" mix. Occidental from Orbus Terrarum is an edit of the "Occidental" mix. Codpiece (Trouser Torpedo mix) by the ByTESIZE NUNS (Kris Needs and the Orb, on/in Trance Europe Express 4) is an edit of the "Kris Needs" mix. Read the article on ByTESIZE NUNS in TEEX 4 for a lot more information on these tracks. ============ The version of the Boston Avalon show on these discs is screwed up (there is a bunch of one track missing, and a bad track break). So is the version on both of the FTP sites (the AHEGPB track is broken, and only the first 8 seconds is usable). However, the two versions are screwed up differently, so it is possible to compile them into one complete, seamless set (using mostly material from the version on the MP3 CDs). My notes from amalgamating the two differently broken versions of the Boston Avalon show: From the 256 kbps mp3s in the set use Tracks 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10 as is. From the 128 kpbs version on the ftp sites, use track 5 (Delta MK II). You will need to cut about 12 seconds from the beginning of the track, to ensure a smooth flow from the previous track. Luckily, there is a very obvious sample (the purr/buzz vocal sample from Delta MK II) that the 256 kbps version of track 4 ends right before, so it isn't too hard to match them up. (The 256 kbps version of track 5 is missing a big chunk (about 6 minutes).) From the 256 kbps mp3, use track 6, but you should break it into two tracks; the first one (Outlands) is about 9:44. The second one (the first part of AHEGPB) is about 8:22. The final track listing is: 1 8:33 Spanish Castles In Space 2 13:29 Terminus 3 7:21 Blue Room 4 6:02 Bedouin 5 9:45 Delta MK II 6a 9:44 Outlands 6b 8:22 AHEGPB (part 1) 7 6:25 AHEGPB (part 2) 8 8:45 Little Fluffy Clouds 9 7:20 S.A.L.T. 10 7:33 Toxygene =============== Portsmouth Poly 5/18/91 Audience recording Similar to Patterns & Textures My final CD track listing is: 5:01 intro (DJ spinning) 3:12 intro (the usual "opera" intro) 7:08 Little Fluffy Clouds 9:16 Earth (gaia) 9:31 Towers Of Dub 9:07 Perpetual Dawn 9:34 Star 6 & 7 8 9 7:43 Outlands 12:49 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU The actual file breaks down as follows (w/ 75 fps): 0:00:00:00 - 0:05:01:06 intro (DJ spinning) 0:05:01:06 - 0:08:14:00 intro (the usual "opera" intro) 0:08:14:00 - 0:15:22:00 Little Fluffy Clouds 0:15:22:00 - 0:24:38:00 Earth (gaia) 0:24:38:00 - 0:34:09:55 Towers Of Dub 0:34:09:55 - 0:44:10:39 Perpetual Dawn (excised tape flip silence from about 42:19:50 to 43:12:50) 0:44:10:39 - 0:53:44:50 Star 6 & 7 8 9 0:53:44:50 - 1:01:28:45 Outlands 1:01:28:45 - 1:14:26:05 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU (only applause & the first few seconds of the follow-up DJ from 1:13:48:00 to the end; applause ends at 1:14:18:00; I cut it there) The second part of the set (after the tape flip) is recorded at a significantly lower level than the first part. I normalized the two parts separately, so they end up at a pretty much the same level, and the volume is more consistent. =============== Brixton Fridge 5/12/91 This is the gig that the "Pulsating Sounds Of Orb" bootleg is supposedly from (see below) My final CD track listing is: Disc 1 3:30 intro (the usual "opera" intro) 7:46 Little Fluffy Clouds 6:15 Towers Of Dub 9:43 Perpetual Dawn 10:36 Star 6 & 7 8 9 8:08 Outlands 15:10 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU Disc 2 7:53 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU (orbital dance mix) 6:33 Delkom - Superjack (orbital infusion 2000) 6:43 Yello - Do It (Sun Electric's Blessed & Beaten mix) The actual file breaks down as follows (w/ 75 fps): 0:00:00:00 - 0:03:30:00 intro (the usual "opera" intro) 0:03:30:00 - 0:11:16:00 Little Fluffy Clouds 0:11:16:00 - 0:17:31:00 Towers Of Dub 0:17:31:00 - 0:27:14:00 Perpetual Dawn 0:27:14:00 - 0:37:50:00 Star 6 & 7 8 9 0:37:50:00 - 0:45:58:40 Outlands 0:45:58:40 - 1:01:08:59 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU 1:01:08:59 - 1:09:02:00 AHEGPBTRFTCOTU (orbital dance mix) 1:09:02:00 - 1:15:35:00 Delkom - Superjack (orbital infusion 2000) 1:15:35:00 - 1:22:18:31 Yello - Do It (Sun Electric's Blessed & Beaten mix) Notes: I believe RJ mentioned at some point that the PSoO bootleg was supposedly actually mastered from the same tape he got; I haven't done a detailed comparison, but it seems to fit, down to the inclusion of the Orbital Dance mix of AHEGPB. This is further supported by the fact that the tape flip at 45+ minutes has already been excised and faded in/out. In addition, the timings are quite close to PSoO. However, there is a date discrepancy; this file is dated 5/12/91; Patterns & Textures is dated 5/12/92, and PSoO is "dated" in Lazlo's discography as 5/12/92. This file seems to match PSoO, but neither seems to match P&T... The last three tracks are clearly tacked on after the fact; there is no crowd noise, and there are identifiable artifacts where the tracks start/end. This copy of Delkom - Superjack is quite a bit better than then one currently on the various FTPs; someone might want to excise it from the larger file and upload it as a replacement. =============== This is the list of the contents of the project. (Note that a few tracks weren't separated, and at least two shows swapped which disc they were on. (Also note that several of the shows on disc 6 are already in wide circulation and have been on the FTPs for quite a while.)) I have an on-going project to produce tracklistings, timings, and ultimately audio CD-Rs for all of these files. You can get some of my data from the text files on moresounds, or you can email me for my latest. Also, if someone could do a tracklisting/timing breakdown for the Orbert demo, I'd be most appreciative; that is one that I'll never be able to do. CD1: Demo's & Remixes: Codpiece - Original Codpiece - Easter Eggs A Crackling Shell Codpiece - Moist Cow vs. Towels of Rub Codpiece - Occidental Codpiece - Kris Needs Mix Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld - Demo A Huge Ever Growing ....... - 60 min. Demo Oobe - Live Mix Oobe - Pool Mix Oobe - Programmed Mix Orbert - Demo version of FFWD Plateau - Main Mix Plateau - No Trash Nurofen Mix Plateau - Trash Solo Post Nurofen Mix Plateau - Ambient Type Mix LX Solo Plateau - All Hands On Deck 2AM Maternal CD2: Live 1991 Brighton Event 27-09-1991 Brixton Fridge 12-05-1991 Cambridge 1991 Portsmouth Poly 18-05-1991 CD3: Live 1992 Brixton Academy 23-10-1992 Date/Venue Unknown - Mission 92 Europe Manchester 01-11-1992 Manchester Academy 30-05-1992 CD4: Live 1993 Birmingham Institute 24-11-1993 Brixton Academy 27-11-1993 Exeter University 23-11-1993 Manchester 16-04-1993 CD5: Live 1993, 1995 Brixton Academy 28-11-1993 Cambridge Corn Exchange 19-11-1993 Leicester University 25-11-1993 Live on MTV 1995 CD6:Live 1994, 1996, 1997 Quart Festival 23-07-1994 Organic Festival 22-06-1996 Boston Avalon 28-07-1997 Glasgow Barrowlands 20-03-1997 Toronto Warehouse 13-05-1997 KLF: Chill Out