I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller. But most of a l I wish this community was as active as it once was. Especially this weekend. Somehow Jarvis' cover of J&A was a near spiritual moment, and that was just the youtube footage. What it must have been like to actually be there! I've just spent a few minutes making a tidier version for my stereo. I think it'll be playing a lot. Here is the AAC if you like: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B43QK_nyl0LtZUJBRmNfam4teGs Still, at least I was at the Barbican for 23 minutes in 1997. Over & out.
Thanks for the download Kyle! On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 5:39 PM, X Kyle M Thompson <kyle.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:
I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller.
But most of a l I wish this community was as active as it once was. Especially this weekend. Somehow Jarvis' cover of J&A was a near spiritual moment, and that was just the youtube footage. What it must have been like to actually be there!
I've just spent a few minutes making a tidier version for my stereo. I think it'll be playing a lot.
Here is the AAC if you like:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B43QK_nyl0LtZUJBRmNfam4teGs
Still, at least I was at the Barbican for 23 minutes in 1997.
Over & out.
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Wasn't there but I'd be happy to say I regret it. Seeing the pics / vids I don't. I dearly love almost all of their music but I'm tired of all this situationist s**t. RANT ALERT! Contrary to some comments ("the people that didn't like this vid, haven't a clue of KLF and didn't share the 23 year wait") and judging from the videos and twitter / fb accounts it was mostly a hipsterfest aimed for the post-90's/2000 Pitchfork / Quietus / hashtag crowd and they lapped it up. Most of them weren't around first time and if they were, they've just written off The KLF as crap. I know at least one journalist over here who did and now hails them as living legends who did no wrong EVER. Suddenly everyone's been a fan from day one. Of course, some really hardcore K-heads attended the event as well and I'm sure (or hope so) that some of them genuinely enjoyed it. If I wanted to be rude, I'd say that B+J has made pay everybody just to be a part of a meet & greet flashmob (in which the volunteers were both the audience and the spectacle), then buy their books, shirts and mugs. It's a bit cynical coming from the same guys who wanted to say something about the nature of money by burning a cool million (and since I also hate that the Jura bonfire eclipses all the good things they've done, I don't care about their intentions with it). I understand that they're "old" but all this death fascination / self-funeral is just bleak (Drummond is on this trip for quite a while). Tricking others into participating in an occultish ritual (magick + voodoo + mass psychology 101) may or may not be that much different from today's brainwashing, overtly negative pop agenda. I also do "get" the stuff with the ley lines, C. G. Jung's dream, I've read Bill's chapter about Liverpool (plus Copey's books to get another view of the man). I even got the references to Hugo Ball, Ken Campbell et al. BUT: -The Badger Kull "track" is just unlistenable (both the youtube and soundcloud versions). Sorry. If the volunteers' aim was to make something that sounds like it was thrown together in a few hours on a laptop they succeeded, just don't compare it to Chill Out or White Room (or even IGUN). -The book (from the few available pages) is a mash-up of Illuminatus!, 1984 and others. You can do the same by downloading a text and replacing words with the Ctrl+H command. It doesn't have the wit of The Manual or the insight of Bill's 45. Sorry again (but I'll buy 5 copies anyway :P). -Painting over a fan's Timelord IMHO was just rude (or rather idiotic, watching the vid again). There is a fine line between being "Zen" with your followers and just trolling them, of course the hashtag crowd loved this one too, I guess the car's owner wasn't a true fan enough to get the joke... -To my knowledge the "signing" was only stamping and according to the rules they would confiscate and destroy any CD or memorabilia given to them to actually sign (I tend to believe this after seeing the Jamsmobile incident). If they hate their past so much, why milk it - especially without doing anything worthy (music)? Speaking of which I heard that some volunteers were asked to moan in the social media about the "lack of new music". I don't want new music, I want the old, but intact and full. For those 3 days I've been listening to their CD's randomly and thinking about how much does it still means to me (for more than 2 and a half decade, ffs). Chill Out, The White Room, the SH Trilogy still sounds good and inspiring. I don't have a KLF tattoo but I want to hear the Chill Out demos and all others in CD clarity. It's about time. If they'd really care about their fans, they'd re-release their back catalogue with all the rare stuff, demos, videos, etc. They still have the rights, and with crowdfunding it wouldn't be a problem. I'd part with my hard-earned money gladly even if they purge the copyright infringing parts. But that wouldn't fit into their current puppetmaster image, I'm afraid. That would be "fan service", so instead they present something new and we get the same old "quality" bootlegs on eBay with inflated prices. At least the list members were gentlemen enough not to ask a fortune for copying the unavailable stuff, in fact most of them did it for free. To me the raving reviews show only one thing: if somebody _wants_ to believe, they will. More power to them, then. I think that if you have to explain a joke / act / art piece then it's just too smart (i.e. sh*te) for its own good. RANT OVER and out, ignore it. I feel better already just by typing it. Keep Listening Forever! ________________________________ From: KLF <klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of X Kyle M Thompson <kyle.thompson@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:39 PM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: [KLF] I wish...
On 29 Aug 2017, at 18:40, klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:
If they'd really care about their fans
But they don't, do they? They haven't since at least the Stadium House days. If the did they wouldn't have deleted the back catalogue in the first place. They'd have released some incarnation of The Black Room. Fans are just another part of music industry system that they spent their music career rebelling against. We're a constant reminder that the experiment that was The JAMs failed when it became The KLF and found global success.
True point, but then why are they counting on said fans at events like this? Getting a fanbase on notoriety (money burning, Brits, not doing anything for years) is far worse than wining them over by releasing hit singles. If they were as free thinkers as they project themselves, they wouldn't have worried about being succesful over 30. If they preferred the hard way (doing dark / experimental songs about death and decay) they could have learned from Leonard Cohen, Scott Walker or Bowie whose last record was a perfect goodbye to his fans (even though I prefer his happier records). Or they could have been moved to doing soundtracks like Clint Mansell or Reznor did. They had the equipment and that golden touch too back then. ________________________________ From: KLF <klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of jai nelson <illitrate@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:13 PM To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. Subject: Re: [KLF] I wish...
On 29 Aug 2017, at 18:40, klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com> wrote:
If they'd really care about their fans
But they don't, do they? They haven't since at least the Stadium House days. If the did they wouldn't have deleted the back catalogue in the first place. They'd have released some incarnation of The Black Room. Fans are just another part of music industry system that they spent their music career rebelling against. We're a constant reminder that the experiment that was The JAMs failed when it became The KLF and found global success. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf KLF Info Page - mailman.xmission.com<https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf> mailman.xmission.com The KLF list discusses the work of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty, both as a creative team (The KLF, The JAMS, The Timelords, K Foundation, et al.), as participants in ... Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. Perfect summary of my thougts. So thank you for that! :) This "we deny our past" strategy is more than obscure and I simply don't understand it. In interviews, they (esp. Jimmy) have always talked about music voluntarily but deleting their back catalogue and never re-releasing it is a big mistake. Especially when we know there's SO much in the archives that wouldn't hurt them but make fans happy. Just my two cents. Cheers, Danny --- KLF Online (www.klf.de)
Am 29.08.2017 um 19:40 schrieb klfboy _ <klfboy@hotmail.com>:
Wasn't there but I'd be happy to say I regret it. Seeing the pics / vids I don't.
I dearly love almost all of their music but I'm tired of all this situationist s**t.
RANT ALERT!
Contrary to some comments ("the people that didn't like this vid, haven't a clue of KLF and didn't share the 23 year wait") and judging from the videos and twitter / fb accounts it was mostly a hipsterfest aimed for the post-90's/2000 Pitchfork / Quietus / hashtag crowd and they lapped it up. Most of them weren't around first time and if they were, they've just written off The KLF as crap. I know at least one journalist over here who did and now hails them as living legends who did no wrong EVER. Suddenly everyone's been a fan from day one. Of course, some really hardcore K-heads attended the event as well and I'm sure (or hope so) that some of them genuinely enjoyed it.
If I wanted to be rude, I'd say that B+J has made pay everybody just to be a part of a meet & greet flashmob (in which the volunteers were both the audience and the spectacle), then buy their books, shirts and mugs.
It's a bit cynical coming from the same guys who wanted to say something about the nature of money by burning a cool million (and since I also hate that the Jura bonfire eclipses all the good things they've done, I don't care about their intentions with it).
I understand that they're "old" but all this death fascination / self-funeral is just bleak (Drummond is on this trip for quite a while). Tricking others into participating in an occultish ritual (magick + voodoo + mass psychology 101) may or may not be that much different from today's brainwashing, overtly negative pop agenda.
I also do "get" the stuff with the ley lines, C. G. Jung's dream, I've read Bill's chapter about Liverpool (plus Copey's books to get another view of the man). I even got the references to Hugo Ball, Ken Campbell et al. BUT:
-The Badger Kull "track" is just unlistenable (both the youtube and soundcloud versions). Sorry. If the volunteers' aim was to make something that sounds like it was thrown together in a few hours on a laptop they succeeded, just don't compare it to Chill Out or White Room (or even IGUN).
-The book (from the few available pages) is a mash-up of Illuminatus!, 1984 and others. You can do the same by downloading a text and replacing words with the Ctrl+H command. It doesn't have the wit of The Manual or the insight of Bill's 45. Sorry again (but I'll buy 5 copies anyway :P).
-Painting over a fan's Timelord IMHO was just rude (or rather idiotic, watching the vid again). There is a fine line between being "Zen" with your followers and just trolling them, of course the hashtag crowd loved this one too, I guess the car's owner wasn't a true fan enough to get the joke...
-To my knowledge the "signing" was only stamping and according to the rules they would confiscate and destroy any CD or memorabilia given to them to actually sign (I tend to believe this after seeing the Jamsmobile incident). If they hate their past so much, why milk it - especially without doing anything worthy (music)?
Speaking of which I heard that some volunteers were asked to moan in the social media about the "lack of new music". I don't want new music, I want the old, but intact and full.
For those 3 days I've been listening to their CD's randomly and thinking about how much does it still means to me (for more than 2 and a half decade, ffs). Chill Out, The White Room, the SH Trilogy still sounds good and inspiring. I don't have a KLF tattoo but I want to hear the Chill Out demos and all others in CD clarity. It's about time.
If they'd really care about their fans, they'd re-release their back catalogue with all the rare stuff, demos, videos, etc. They still have the rights, and with crowdfunding it wouldn't be a problem. I'd part with my hard-earned money gladly even if they purge the copyright infringing parts.
But that wouldn't fit into their current puppetmaster image, I'm afraid. That would be "fan service", so instead they present something new and we get the same old "quality" bootlegs on eBay with inflated prices. At least the list members were gentlemen enough not to ask a fortune for copying the unavailable stuff, in fact most of them did it for free.
To me the raving reviews show only one thing: if somebody _wants_ to believe, they will. More power to them, then. I think that if you have to explain a joke / act / art piece then it's just too smart (i.e. sh*te) for its own good.
RANT OVER and out, ignore it. I feel better already just by typing it. Keep Listening Forever!
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Anyone who's paid attention to the work that Drummond and Cauty have done alone and together in the last 25 years, and expected this weekend to be unlike that, and instead to be innately connected to, reminiscent of, and significantly concerned with some stuff they did between 1989 and 1991, only has themselves to blame for their disappointment. If they feel some sense of entitlement on top of that, one might suggest that a quarter of a century is enough time to have gotten past it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." To:"All bound for Mu-Mu Land." Cc: Sent:Wed, 30 Aug 2017 07:09:39 +0200 Subject:Re: [KLF] I wish... Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. Perfect summary of my thougts. So thank you for that! :) This "we deny our past" strategy is more than obscure and I simply don't understand it. In interviews, they (esp. Jimmy) have always talked about music voluntarily but deleting their back catalogue and never re-releasing it is a big mistake. Especially when we know there's SO much in the archives that wouldn't hurt them but make fans happy. Just my two cents. Cheers, Danny ---KLF Online (www.klf.de [1]) Am 29.08.2017 um 19:40 schrieb klfboy _ : Wasn't there but I'd be happy to say I regret it. Seeing the pics / vids I don't. I dearly love almost all of their music but I'm tired of all this situationist s**t. RANT ALERT! Contrary to some comments ("the people that didn't like this vid, haven't a clue of KLF and didn't share the 23 year wait") and judging from the videos and twitter / fb accounts it was mostly a hipsterfest aimed for the post-90's/2000 Pitchfork / Quietus / hashtag crowd and they lapped it up. Most of them weren't around first time and if they were, they've just written off The KLF as crap. I know at least one journalist over here who did and now hails them as living legends who did no wrong EVER. Suddenly everyone's been a fan from day one. Of course, some really hardcore K-heads attended the event as well and I'm sure (or hope so) that some of them genuinely enjoyed it. If I wanted to be rude, I'd say that B+J has made pay everybody just to be a part of a meet & greet flashmob (in which the volunteers were both the audience and the spectacle), then buy their books, shirts and mugs. It's a bit cynical coming from the same guys who wanted to say something about the nature of money by burning a cool million (and since I also hate that the Jura bonfire eclipses all the good things they've done, I don't care about their intentions with it). I understand that they're "old" but all this death fascination / self-funeral is just bleak (Drummond is on this trip for quite a while). Tricking others into participating in an occultish ritual (magick + voodoo + mass psychology 101) may or may not be that much different from today's brainwashing, overtly negative pop agenda. I also do "get" the stuff with the ley lines, C. G. Jung's dream, I've read Bill's chapter about Liverpool (plus Copey's books to get another view of the man). I even got the references to Hugo Ball, Ken Campbell et al. BUT: -The Badger Kull "track" is just unlistenable (both the youtube and soundcloud versions). Sorry. If the volunteers' aim was to make something that sounds like it was thrown together in a few hours on a laptop they succeeded, just don't compare it to Chill Out or White Room (or even IGUN). -The book (from the few available pages) is a mash-up of Illuminatus!, 1984 and others. You can do the same by downloading a text and replacing words with the Ctrl+H command. It doesn't have the wit of The Manual or the insight of Bill's 45. Sorry again (but I'll buy 5 copies anyway :P). -Painting over a fan's Timelord IMHO was just rude (or rather idiotic, watching the vid again). There is a fine line between being "Zen" with your followers and just trolling them, of course the hashtag crowd loved this one too, I guess the car's owner wasn't a true fan enough to get the joke... -To my knowledge the "signing" was only stamping and according to the rules they would confiscate and destroy any CD or memorabilia given to them to actually sign (I tend to believe this after seeing the Jamsmobile incident). If they hate their past so much, why milk it - especially without doing anything worthy (music)? Speaking of which I heard that some volunteers were asked to moan in the social media about the "lack of new music". I don't want new music, I want the old, but intact and full. For those 3 days I've been listening to their CD's randomly and thinking about how much does it still means to me (for more than 2 and a half decade, ffs). Chill Out, The White Room, the SH Trilogy still sounds good and inspiring. I don't have a KLF tattoo but I want to hear the Chill Out demos and all others in CD clarity. It's about time. If they'd really care about their fans, they'd re-release their back catalogue with all the rare stuff, demos, videos, etc. They still have the rights, and with crowdfunding it wouldn't be a problem. I'd part with my hard-earned money gladly even if they purge the copyright infringing parts. But that wouldn't fit into their current puppetmaster image, I'm afraid. That would be "fan service", so instead they present something new and we get the same old "quality" bootlegs on eBay with inflated prices. At least the list members were gentlemen enough not to ask a fortune for copying the unavailable stuff, in fact most of them did it for free. To me the raving reviews show only one thing: if somebody _wants_ to believe, they will. More power to them, then. I think that if you have to explain a joke / act / art piece then it's just too smart (i.e. sh*te) for its own good. RANT OVER and out, ignore it. I feel better already just by typing it. Keep Listening Forever! ------------------------- FROM: KLF on behalf of X Kyle M Thompson SENT: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:39 PM TO: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. SUBJECT: [KLF] I wish... _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com [5] https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf [6] Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com [7] Links: ------ [1] http://www.klf.de [2] mailto:klfboy@hotmail.com [3] mailto:klf-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [4] mailto:kyle.thompson@gmail.com [5] mailto:KLF@mailman.xmission.com [6] https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf [7] http://studio-nibble.com
Bill and Jimi were such a huge part of my life that I was initially disappointed I wasn't able to fly to the UK to be a part of it. In the end, I would've ended up with some pictures of B&J driving an ice cream van and a crowd of people confused why they still cared. Like others, if Bill and Jimi have given up and have no interest on contributing to music or art any longer (because it sure seems to me that they are trying to make their not-caring about art...into art) I wish they would just dump on their music out there too. We have fourth generation cassette dubs of acetates and random DAT tapes and short pressed singles and all that, and we live with it because that's all there is...but having contempt for your audience is not art, it's just being an asshole. I bought the book, but I'm glad I didn't drop a couple thousand dollars to fly over there to get it stamped. Some of us don't have money to burn. jr ----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 350 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. -----------------------------------------
Yeah, I had a great time in Liverpool, thanks. On 30 August 2017 at 21:54, Jeremiah Rickert <rickert@agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
Bill and Jimi were such a huge part of my life that I was initially disappointed I wasn't able to fly to the UK to be a part of it. In the end, I would've ended up with some pictures of B&J driving an ice cream van and a crowd of people confused why they still cared.
Like others, if Bill and Jimi have given up and have no interest on contributing to music or art any longer (because it sure seems to me that they are trying to make their not-caring about art...into art) I wish they would just dump on their music out there too. We have fourth generation cassette dubs of acetates and random DAT tapes and short pressed singles and all that, and we live with it because that's all there is...but having contempt for your audience is not art, it's just being an asshole.
I bought the book, but I'm glad I didn't drop a couple thousand dollars to fly over there to get it stamped. Some of us don't have money to burn.
jr
----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 350 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. -----------------------------------------
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You bought a book. You have a book. If you read the book, then you become their audience. They don't owe you anything else. "Like others, if Bill and Jimi have given up and have no interest on contributing to music or art any longer (because it sure seems to me that they are trying to make their not-caring about art...into art)" Both men are engaged, active artists who take an interest in connecting with the audiences for that art - Jimmy attended Dismaland, and nearly all of Bill's work involves directly interacting with people who are interested in the project at hand. I saw Bill in Sydney two years ago, and enjoyed the pieces he wrote for Australian newspapers, and the talk, and the interaction with an audience member and his shoes, and how he related his history and the bed he built and the shoes to a) the creative drive and b) a meaningful connection with other humans, and how we can make our lives more fulfilling by integrating the two. If I'd walked out bitching that he hadn't closed by playing The Lonely Spy and Love On The Ganges from 1979, that would be as irrelevant as thinking I deserve 90 unfinished, never-intended-for-release-in-this-form works from ten years later, for free, in a home-listening format of my choice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." To:"All bound for Mu-Mu Land." Cc: Sent:Wed, 30 Aug 2017 13:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [KLF] I wish... Bill and Jimi were such a huge part of my life that I was initially disappointed I wasn't able to fly to the UK to be a part of it. In the end, I would've ended up with some pictures of B&J driving an ice cream van and a crowd of people confused why they still cared. Like others, if Bill and Jimi have given up and have no interest on contributing to music or art any longer (because it sure seems to me that they are trying to make their not-caring about art...into art) I wish they would just dump on their music out there too. We have fourth generation cassette dubs of acetates and random DAT tapes and short pressed singles and all that, and we live with it because that's all there is...but having contempt for your audience is not art, it's just being an asshole. I bought the book, but I'm glad I didn't drop a couple thousand dollars to fly over there to get it stamped. Some of us don't have money to burn. jr ----------------------------------------- Jeremiah "Spassvogel" Rickert 6'7" 350 lbs of Dr. Pepper and Pez Candy. ----------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
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