One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp
i run out of bandcamp download credits (200 per month) and 1 Euro goes to "This sale was credited to Bandcamp to cover your revenue share balance. It will not appear in your PayPal account." so I don't earn on it. 1) http://www.discogs.com/KLF-Make-It-Rain-No-More-Tears/release/144646 yea from this release 2) Background music for Stadium House video ending credits. I remember that this was erroneously referred as Turn up the Strobe (007T) in some discussions. Or then this is original 028T. Adam? it's edit version of Stadium House track that might have been Turn Up The Strobe at some point. Strobe plans were to have Lover's Side as B-Side. Since IGUN and LS share same break loop, and Turn Up The Strobe has the same number of syllables as It's Grim Up North... who knows ;)
On 7.2.2013 16:08, Adam Stalker wrote:
it's edit version of Stadium House track that might have been Turn Up The Strobe at some point. Strobe plans were to have Lover's Side as B-Side. Since IGUN and LS share same break loop, and Turn Up The Strobe has the same number of syllables as It's Grim Up North... who knows ;)
Wasn't LS meant to be B-side of E-Train? (..or Go To Sleep, both were marked as Pure Trance 5 in old discography). But I'm supporting this theory. I kinda like to think that IGUN is a reworked version of Turn Up. Actually, I believe that bases for all planned Pure Trances were recorded (or sequenced at least) and later use for other released, example: E-Train -> Go To Sleep -> Last Train 008R -> Last Train (Stadium House) and also in Wichita Lineman (Chill Out). Some IGUN/Turn Up The Strobe snippets can also be heard on Mars (Space) and maybe also at the end of Chill Out. -- anttil.
I would like to jump in on this one, there has been so much speculation around the pure trance series over the years, but a lot of it revolves around the discography that's, lets be honest, been the bible for us collectors for years, so when something turns up that doesn't correspond with our 'bible' we're all left scratching our heads! So as a collector I am going to give my opinion on the Pure Trance series, please feel free to agree or disagree. PT 1&2 004T & 005T Are 2 trackers containing 1 long track on each side. 004R & 005R contain multiple shorter remixes. This pattern also corresponds with other KLF 'R' releases around this time e.g. 003R, 010R. I would suggest that 008R was actually originally 008T and Go to Sleep was going to be part of 008R, but because it didn't make the grade, time, issues etc. etc. they drew a line under it and released it as 008R . But where does 'The Lovers side' fit in? From the recent Deep Shit auctions there was a letter from Cress herself, that came with one of these, where she clearly states that 'the lovers side' is the follow up to 3AM eternal, so I speculate that lovers side had more to do with PT3 than PT5 so was the Lovers Side one side of Love Trance? or planned for 006R, we'll probably never know. But the person to ask would be Cress. I would agree that the original IGUN / stadium house track has something to do with Turn up the Strobe. As do the 010RR tracks (promo a/b) Kylie in a Trance remixes. 006T - Love Trance?? / The Lovers Side? 006R - Remixes? 007T - Turn up the Strobe (IGUN/Kylie in a Trance) / Track 2? 007R - Remixes? 008T - E Train (released as 008R) / Mix 2 008R - Remixes? Go to Sleep, White Room Snippet maybe? Over and Out.......... ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 16:34 Subject: Re: [KLF] One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp On 7.2.2013 16:08, Adam Stalker wrote:
it's edit version of Stadium House track that might have been Turn Up The Strobe at some point. Strobe plans were to have Lover's Side as B-Side. Since IGUN and LS share same break loop, and Turn Up The Strobe has the same number of syllables as It's Grim Up North... who knows ;)
Wasn't LS meant to be B-side of E-Train? (..or Go To Sleep, both were marked as Pure Trance 5 in old discography). But I'm supporting this theory. I kinda like to think that IGUN is a reworked version of Turn Up. Actually, I believe that bases for all planned Pure Trances were recorded (or sequenced at least) and later use for other released, example: E-Train -> Go To Sleep -> Last Train 008R -> Last Train (Stadium House) and also in Wichita Lineman (Chill Out). Some IGUN/Turn Up The Strobe snippets can also be heard on Mars (Space) and maybe also at the end of Chill Out. -- anttil. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
On 8.2.2013 14:26, Tim Tim wrote:
I would suggest that 008R was actually originally 008T and Go to Sleep was going to be part of 008R, but because it didn't make the grade, time, issues etc. etc. they drew a line under it and released it as 008R.
Sounds very very reasonable. Other data: Go To Sleep ;) An about the discograhpy, it's all very confusing. First, we have (had) discog at klf.de and then we have old Lazlos one and also some others, which all have little bit different infos. But the confusion has always been, and hopefully will always be a part of the KLF. That's the thing that keeps me still going on with this stuff year after year. I think I personally would be really disappointed and bit empty if everything would be revealed ;) -- anttil.
Same here. The questions, the mystery, knowing that even 20+ years later, we're still uncovering tracks is way more exciting than knowing what we don't. ;) — Micah Stupak [micah@benthic.cc: <mailto:micah@benthic.cc>] Antti Lavio wrote: I think I personally would be really disappointed and bit empty if everything would be revealed ;)
Interesting thoughts. Since I've seen notations on some discographies that 008Rb is the "Pure Trance Original" perhaps 008Rb is indeed the original E-Train/Last Train and 008Ra is a newer, minimal mix done around the same time as "Chill Out" as the two were released in tandem. I also suspect "Kylie Said Trance" was an instrumental originally intended for one of the Pure Trance 12" discs but repurposed as 010b. I don't think "The Lover's Side" was ever intended as part of the Pure Trance series as it shares the same pop style as all the other original White Room tracks and it's inclusion along with Deep Shit on a 12" aborted around the time the original White Room soundtrack was to be released implies it was meant as a companion to that work meant to flesh-out the theme of the unreleased film--perhaps intended to be released as a loss leader/bonus 12" included with initial vinyl copies of the White Room OST. Just my two cents. Dan On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I would like to jump in on this one, there has been so much speculation around the pure trance series over the years, but a lot of it revolves around the discography that's, lets be honest, been the bible for us collectors for years, so when something turns up that doesn't correspond with our 'bible' we're all left scratching our heads! So as a collector I am going to give my opinion on the Pure Trance series, please feel free to agree or disagree. PT 1&2 004T & 005T Are 2 trackers containing 1 long track on each side. 004R & 005R contain multiple shorter remixes. This pattern also corresponds with other KLF 'R' releases around this time e.g. 003R, 010R. I would suggest that 008R was actually originally 008T and Go to Sleep was going to be part of 008R, but because it didn't make the grade, time, issues etc. etc. they drew a line under it and released it as 008R . But where does 'The Lovers side' fit in? From the recent Deep Shit auctions there was a letter from Cress herself, that came with one of these, where she clearly states that 'the lovers side' is the follow up to 3AM eternal, so I speculate that lovers side had more to do with PT3 than PT5 so was the Lovers Side one side of Love Trance? or planned for 006R, we'll probably never know. But the person to ask would be Cress. I would agree that the original IGUN / stadium house track has something to do with Turn up the Strobe. As do the 010RR tracks (promo a/b) Kylie in a Trance remixes. 006T - Love Trance?? / The Lovers Side? 006R - Remixes? 007T - Turn up the Strobe (IGUN/Kylie in a Trance) / Track 2? 007R - Remixes? 008T - E Train (released as 008R) / Mix 2 008R - Remixes? Go to Sleep, White Room Snippet maybe?
Over and Out..........
*From:* Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Thursday, 7 February 2013, 16:34 *Subject:* Re: [KLF] One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp
On 7.2.2013 16:08, Adam Stalker wrote:
it's edit version of Stadium House track that might have been Turn Up The Strobe at some point. Strobe plans were to have Lover's Side as B-Side. Since IGUN and LS share same break loop, and Turn Up The Strobe has the same number of syllables as It's Grim Up North... who knows ;)
Wasn't LS meant to be B-side of E-Train? (..or Go To Sleep, both were marked as Pure Trance 5 in old discography).
But I'm supporting this theory. I kinda like to think that IGUN is a reworked version of Turn Up. Actually, I believe that bases for all planned Pure Trances were recorded (or sequenced at least) and later use for other released, example:
E-Train -> Go To Sleep -> Last Train 008R -> Last Train (Stadium House) and also in Wichita Lineman (Chill Out).
Some IGUN/Turn Up The Strobe snippets can also be heard on Mars (Space) and maybe also at the end of Chill Out.
-- anttil.
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I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep).The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals ! Some part of this vocal later turned up on the JamsLP6 version of Last Train. If you notice, then all female vocals (apart from Wanda's) from the The White Room(JamsLP6) can be found on the Soundtrack-version, except the part where Maxine sings "Take the Last Train" (can't remember of she also sings "to Trancentral"). KSTJ is directly related to the "Pure Trance"-project, just look at the label at the B-side. Ulrik Brandt Hansen. Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:00:47 -0500From: danthutchins@gmail.com To: gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk; klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Pure Trance / One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp Interesting thoughts. Since I've seen notations on some discographies that 008Rb is the "Pure Trance Original" perhaps 008Rb is indeed the original E-Train/Last Train and 008Ra is a newer, minimal mix done around the same time as "Chill Out" as the two were released in tandem. I also suspect "Kylie Said Trance" was an instrumental originally intended for one of the Pure Trance 12" discs but repurposed as 010b.
On 8.2.2013 20:46, Ulrik Brandt wrote:
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from? And 004T is also instrumental so I wouldn't make any conclusions from that. I too believe that KSTJ (remixes) were some how part of the PT series; KSTJ remixes are quite different from 010T and it has PT logo on label. But what I can't figure out is to what PT release it could relate. -- anttil.
We don't KNOW this, but it would explain where there Maine line from JAMSLP6 is taken from. I really doubt that they dragged Maxine in the studio just to do this line when they make the extra vocals to JamsLP 6.They only had Bello/Ricardo and Black Steel to do extra vocals, the rest is already recorded (and can be found on the OST, apart from this single Maxine-line). Of course she could had done the vocal-line when they did the JAMSLP6-version (she was in the 3.am video, and stadium house, so she was in contact with KLF in that period). I just don't think it's a coincidence the the only "mysterious" vocal-line from JAMSLP6 would fit perfectly into an old unreleased/unheard song. Ulrik
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from?
I agree, the KSTJ remixes are (or were meant to be) part of the Pure Trance series, along with IGUN original. But just listened to IGUN original & Kylie in a Trance [remix] (010RR bside) and they are similar in many ways particularly that base beat. Turn up the Strobe anyone? But what about The Lover's Side? Why did Cress say this was the follow up to 3AM? Did JC deny The KLF ever recorded PT3 because of Deep Shit on the Other Side? As for Pure Trance labels 010, 010T, Promo2 all had Pure Trance labels on the B side, so there is a strong case that KStJ was originally part of the PT series, perhaps the labels had already been produced, we already know that the labels & sleeves for the PT series were pressed up in advance & there's no cat no. on the 010T labels just the addition of a barcode. Over and Out... ________________________________ From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 7:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Pure Trance / One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp On 8.2.2013 20:46, Ulrik Brandt wrote:
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from? And 004T is also instrumental so I wouldn't make any conclusions from that. I too believe that KSTJ (remixes) were some how part of the PT series; KSTJ remixes are quite different from 010T and it has PT logo on label. But what I can't figure out is to what PT release it could relate. -- anttil. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Well, Why not ask Cress? :) Gr, Maarten Op 9 feb. 2013, om 15:32 heeft Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
I agree, the KSTJ remixes are (or were meant to be) part of the Pure Trance series, along with IGUN original. But just listened to IGUN original & Kylie in a Trance [remix] (010RR bside) and they are similar in many ways particularly that base beat.
Turn up the Strobe anyone?
But what about The Lover's Side? Why did Cress say this was the follow up to 3AM? Did JC deny The KLF ever recorded PT3 because of Deep Shit on the Other Side?
As for Pure Trance labels 010, 010T, Promo2 all had Pure Trance labels on the B side, so there is a strong case that KStJ was originally part of the PT series, perhaps the labels had already been produced, we already know that the labels & sleeves for the PT series were pressed up in advance & there's no cat no. on the 010T labels just the addition of a barcode.
Over and Out...
From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 7:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Pure Trance / One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp
On 8.2.2013 20:46, Ulrik Brandt wrote:
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from?
And 004T is also instrumental so I wouldn't make any conclusions from that.
I too believe that KSTJ (remixes) were some how part of the PT series; KSTJ remixes are quite different from 010T and it has PT logo on label. But what I can't figure out is to what PT release it could relate.
-- anttil.
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My general hypothesis is that they wrote and demoed a number of trance-like tracks for possible inclusion in the Pure Trance series without deciding which track would be released under which title as they had the track names and the sleeve labels first. When they decided to scrap the original 12" every week or two schedule and put the series on hold, there were a number of tracks laying around in various states of completion. Many of these ideas were later revisited and morphed I to other projects (Turn Up the Strobe into IGUN, E-Train into Last Train). The two versions of Love Trance and the various KST mixes/demos were part of this process. Dan On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Maarten Bouwes <maarten@bouwes.nl> wrote:
Well,
Why not ask Cress? :)
Gr, Maarten
Op 9 feb. 2013, om 15:32 heeft Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
I agree, the KSTJ remixes are (or were meant to be) part of the Pure Trance series, along with IGUN original. But just listened to IGUN original & Kylie in a Trance [remix] (010RR bside) and they are similar in many ways particularly that base beat.
Turn up the Strobe anyone?
But what about The Lover's Side? Why did Cress say this was the follow up to 3AM? Did JC deny The KLF ever recorded PT3 because of Deep Shit on the Other Side?
As for Pure Trance labels 010, 010T, Promo2 all had Pure Trance labels on the B side, so there is a strong case that KStJ was originally part of the PT series, perhaps the labels had already been produced, we already know that the labels & sleeves for the PT series were pressed up in advance & there's no cat no. on the 010T labels just the addition of a barcode.
Over and Out...
From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 7:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Pure Trance / One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp
On 8.2.2013 20:46, Ulrik Brandt wrote:
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from?
And 004T is also instrumental so I wouldn't make any conclusions from that.
I too believe that KSTJ (remixes) were some how part of the PT series; KSTJ remixes are quite different from 010T and it has PT logo on label. But what I can't figure out is to what PT release it could relate.
-- anttil.
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Just a guess, but as WTIL really took of earlier in the year and they released 3 AM Pure Trance the preceding May, including KST on the b-side along with 12" remixes and Madrugda Eterna as a bonus track on what they believed was going to be a top 10 single seemed designed to expose their Pure Trance series to a larger, mainstream audience. This lends credibility to the idea KST was made for another installment of the Pure Trance series and subsequently renamed, repurposed, overdubbed, and remixed. Dan On Feb 9, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Tim Tim <gunsofmu@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I agree, the KSTJ remixes are (or were meant to be) part of the Pure Trance series, along with IGUN original. But just listened to IGUN original & Kylie in a Trance [remix] (010RR bside) and they are similar in many ways particularly that base beat.
Turn up the Strobe anyone?
But what about The Lover's Side? Why did Cress say this was the follow up to 3AM? Did JC deny The KLF ever recorded PT3 because of Deep Shit on the Other Side?
As for Pure Trance labels 010, 010T, Promo2 all had Pure Trance labels on the B side, so there is a strong case that KStJ was originally part of the PT series, perhaps the labels had already been produced, we already know that the labels & sleeves for the PT series were pressed up in advance & there's no cat no. on the 010T labels just the addition of a barcode.
Over and Out...
From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio@possu.org> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 7:27 Subject: Re: [KLF] Pure Trance / One Hour With The KLF on bandcamp
On 8.2.2013 20:46, Ulrik Brandt wrote:
I dont think that anything on 008R is the original, since the both are nearly instrumental (apart from Bill's voice that is taken from from Go To Sleep). The unreleased original had Maxine on vocals !
Oh, that's new to me! Where does this info come from?
And 004T is also instrumental so I wouldn't make any conclusions from that.
I too believe that KSTJ (remixes) were some how part of the PT series; KSTJ remixes are quite different from 010T and it has PT logo on label. But what I can't figure out is to what PT release it could relate.
-- anttil.
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On 8.2.2013 14:26, Tim Tim wrote:
I would suggest that 008R was actually originally 008T and Go to Sleep was going to be part of 008R
I've been listening Moody Boys edits of Last Train and I'm almost 100% sure that they used "original" material for remixes, not Stadium House versions. Lots of stuff, Maxines Go to sleep vocals, strings, rhythms etc.. I was also listening Kylie Remixes and Wandaful mix of Last Train...might be my imagination right now but their bass line is bit similar... -- anttil.
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