Both of you are right in a way. There's definitely no attempt to "pretend it's the KLF". That section in "DO NOT SELL AFTER 1999" (bootleg mp3 on the RM Stringer server and other places) which has the phone call takes the piss out of the journalists who kind of jumped to that conclusion waay back. There's a bit that goes as follows: JOURNALIST:"...So is it the KLF? That's what I'm really wondering." X$X 'RECEPTIONIST': "No sir..you're barking up the wrong tree there. I can tell you it's NOT the KLF." JOURNALIST: "Is there any more information I can get? I'd just like to do a story..." X$X 'RECEPTIONIST':"You'd actually have to speak to one of the band members themselves" JOURNALIST: "Is there any way I can reach them" X$X 'RECEPTIONIST': "They're actually in Waverley Station, Edinburgh at the moment. I could give you the number" But Simon's right when he says there's been a regular and persistent undercurrent of KLF-ist theme.It's weird though because unlike some later projects which use KLF-ist 'imagery' or reference or nods, the X$X thing has a vibe of its own which seems to include the KLFism as a natural component. It feels that way to me and a few others have put it more eloquently than I can. It's kind of like whenever people nod to The Beatles. Some of them just look plain-arsed stupid and tedious, others hero-worship, look too and inferior. Occassionally some others manage to incorporate elements in a way which takes the influence forward and actually increases the lot of both themselves and their influence. Also agree that there's more than just a hint of connectivity between someone who could be called 'THE REAL MICHAEL K' (not one of the multiples) and the general "Avant-bard" scene which includes any body from Drummond to Home to Mark Thomas et al. No doubt that B&J have known about Michael K for about a . It's easy to read the signals as BOTH a scam and a hint. Agree with Blys that all of this is probably irrelevant anyway. Ray Simon Glass wrote: For my part, on this list and the other I never insinuated that KLF/X$X are one and the same, I merely pointed out that they supposedly produced a spoof 'Black Room' CD that probably got some B&J fans hot under the collar. There is also no doubt they frequently cross-reference to the KLF, used much similar iconography, fonts etc in the mid 90s ('gig' posters around this time really DID look like some kind of KLF project) and frequently namecheck the KLF on the various websites to this day (an animated GIF that flashes up 'Who Killed the KLF?' among other images, plus the dates 1987, then 1997 etc). So whilst there is little doubt this is a separate project, there is obviously a degree of influence there and indications that perhaps Michael K(s) is acquainted with Jimmy, and perhaps Bill in some way or another. I think some of the old cuttings from Melody Maker etc describing communication with K gave the impression K was happy to perpetuate any association, for instance by saying he knew Michael McElwee and was linked to the Stadium House video. There have also been the occasional cryptic posts on KLF.de that might be X$X-derived, and I still think 'The Alternate Jams' have some kind of X$X connection, personally =) Julian Slinger <blystery@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: A lot of the tracks seem equal parts drum'n'bass and noisy guitar but I don't think you're listening to a speeded-up Bill Drummond!!And the idea that X$X is trying to make it appear it's the KLF seems to me to be ridiculous..it doesn't sound anything like the KLF and there's been enough documention over the years to show that this kind-of KLF/X$X association is just a small part of the game-plan. THE BUILDING (the old version which is linked to from the xdollarx yahoo site) is about the idea of the multiple names, like Michael K and Luther Blissett and Stewart Home and obviously The KLF have an interconnection with all of that Neoist stuff. Somewhere there's a lot of stuff on 'Michael K' as Drummond and cauty's secret collaborator from the beginning but, again, I think this is just people putting 2 and 3 together to make 23. Having said that, he one thing that's always been a mystery is how X$X used the K Foundation's po box address a year before the K Foundation was announced. I think the main thing is that all of the activists in this kind of area are trying to mess with the usual concepts of truth and authenticity so the real truth is that the devil's in the detail and the detail doesnt matter. It's just the message that matters and in this case, I'm glad it's music since the whole intellectual thing kind of washes over me a bit. Blys Jon Doe wrote: On a first glance the music is really tidy. Some tracks are mixing dance and guitars. A lot of the tracks use a formular of a classic breakbeat with a few extra bits to help it along. Some tracks sound like different mixes of others (is this to increase the amount of clips). On the building, the voice sounds like a pitched up Drummond trying to and almost achieving a non drummond sound! Obviously this works the other way and all things pointing at KLF like the font used, track titles etc could be there to make us think it is KLF. What do Drummond and Cauty say about this? Tim, positive void, can you help here? ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk