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And anyway, the Manics (my favourite band) said on day 1 that they only wanted success and that credibility doesnt matter. The logic being that if you are proud and happy that you soldout no body can accuse you of selling out.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to Your logic, if somebody as The KLF/JAMS does anything and everything they want and don't give a damn about success (Doctorin' was a pure piss-take on almost everything), they have NO credibility, but when somebody else say they wanted succes from day one, they are "no sell out"? What's the point, then? And where's the logic in that? By the way, did You read "A Manic Street Preacher's Diary" in Melody Maker? That was always a good laugh. a Gyerek "Usually we lose but sometimes we win, so light up and let us begin" (Shivaree) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963