you can still grab for free Love Trancejust type zero 0 for ithttp://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember? as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job. if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more.
Adam's remasters of Love Trance and WTIL monster attack mix are ace! I don't know if it would be possible to improve on these or The White Room demo remasters that were done about 10 years ago. Dan
On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> wrote:
you can still grab for free Love Trance
just type zero 0 for it
http://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3
i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember?
as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job.
if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more.
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Here we go.....;-) Sent from my iPhone On 18 Mar 2014, at 22:03, "Dan T. Hutchins" <danthutchins@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam's remasters of Love Trance and WTIL monster attack mix are ace! I don't know if it would be possible to improve on these or The White Room demo remasters that were done about 10 years ago.
Dan
On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Adam Stalker <stlkr@o2.pl> wrote:
you can still grab for free Love Trance
just type zero 0 for it
http://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3
i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember?
as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job.
if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more.
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(I just sent this, but I think the graph makes it get stuck) Re paste below Ok, downloaded Love Trance. I can see it peaks at -8.64db. I don't understand why the headroom is there as when transferring to other formats bit depth will surely be sacrificed. More importantly-eq. I have attached a graph (ignore the thin line, we are looking at the thick line with the dip). Roughly speaking you would want to end up with only a few db between any area from the mid to the top range. For those who cant see the graph (and you wont be able to measure from this)... Taking measurements, the bottom of that midrange is about -55db (goes down to -58 in parts) at 876Hz and then at 3.45Khz it is -35.6. That is 20db difference. For me it looks like the source has had a massive midrange drop and in mastering this hasn't been challenged. I have reshaped it and by bringing up the midrange I have used the headroom a bit. I know people get a bit funny about 'Mastering' so I have not used compression on this. I think the best source for comparison would be to look at the White Room (commercial) masters as most attention would have been paid to getting these right form the KLF studio, although they would not have had the tech we do today for tweaking these things. As this is available for free in the first place, I will upload a link here: Files (13.6 MB total) The KLF - Love Trance-ReTweak(jd).mp3Download linkhttp://we.tl/sXnK1uDpDC Apologies in advance for the questioning of this master and the offence it may cause, hence the measurements. If in doubt, please listen to both. John From: stlkr@o2.pl To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:01:29 +0100 Subject: [KLF] Masters? you can still grab for free Love Trancejust type zero 0 for ithttp://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember? as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job. if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more. you can still grab for free Love Trance just type zero 0 for it http://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3 i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember? as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job. if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more. _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Can you upload the graphics somewhere John? I'd love to see those... On 19 March 2014 12:00, John <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
(I just sent this, but I think the graph makes it get stuck) Re paste below
Ok, downloaded Love Trance. I can see it peaks at -8.64db. I don't understand why the headroom is there as when transferring to other formats bit depth will surely be sacrificed.
More importantly-eq. I have attached a graph (ignore the thin line, we are looking at the thick line with the dip). Roughly speaking you would want to end up with only a few db between any area from the mid to the top range. For those who cant see the graph (and you wont be able to measure from this)...
Taking measurements, the bottom of that midrange is about -55db (goes down to -58 in parts) at 876Hz and then at 3.45Khz it is -35.6. That is 20db difference.
For me it looks like the source has had a massive midrange drop and in mastering this hasn't been challenged.
I have reshaped it and by bringing up the midrange I have used the headroom a bit. I know people get a bit funny about 'Mastering' so I have not used compression on this. I think the best source for comparison would be to look at the White Room (commercial) masters as most attention would have been paid to getting these right form the KLF studio, although they would not have had the tech we do today for tweaking these things.
As this is available for free in the first place, I will upload a link here:
Files (13.6 MB total) The KLF - Love Trance-ReTweak(jd).mp3
Download link http://we.tl/sXnK1uDpDC
Apologies in advance for the questioning of this master and the offence it may cause, hence the measurements. If in doubt, please listen to both.
John
From: stlkr@o2.pl To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:01:29 +0100 Subject: [KLF] Masters?
you can still grab for free Love Trancejust type zero 0 for ithttp:// adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember? as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job. if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more. you can still grab for free Love Trance just type zero 0 for it http://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3 i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember?
as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job.
if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more.
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OK, here's the graphic http://pbrd.co/OwGARR On 19 March 2014 12:00, John <jondoeclsm@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
(I just sent this, but I think the graph makes it get stuck) Re paste below
Ok, downloaded Love Trance. I can see it peaks at -8.64db. I don't understand why the headroom is there as when transferring to other formats bit depth will surely be sacrificed.
More importantly-eq. I have attached a graph (ignore the thin line, we are looking at the thick line with the dip). Roughly speaking you would want to end up with only a few db between any area from the mid to the top range. For those who cant see the graph (and you wont be able to measure from this)...
Taking measurements, the bottom of that midrange is about -55db (goes down to -58 in parts) at 876Hz and then at 3.45Khz it is -35.6. That is 20db difference.
For me it looks like the source has had a massive midrange drop and in mastering this hasn't been challenged.
I have reshaped it and by bringing up the midrange I have used the headroom a bit. I know people get a bit funny about 'Mastering' so I have not used compression on this. I think the best source for comparison would be to look at the White Room (commercial) masters as most attention would have been paid to getting these right form the KLF studio, although they would not have had the tech we do today for tweaking these things.
As this is available for free in the first place, I will upload a link here:
Files (13.6 MB total) The KLF - Love Trance-ReTweak(jd).mp3
Download link http://we.tl/sXnK1uDpDC
Apologies in advance for the questioning of this master and the offence it may cause, hence the measurements. If in doubt, please listen to both.
John
From: stlkr@o2.pl To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 22:01:29 +0100 Subject: [KLF] Masters?
you can still grab for free Love Trancejust type zero 0 for ithttp:// adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember? as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job. if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more. you can still grab for free Love Trance just type zero 0 for it http://adamczarnecki.bandcamp.com/album/love-trance-pure-trance-3 i did professional remastering on it i study sound engineering remember?
as a person who took part in helping recovering PVC tracks i would ask you to do what guys asked. you can share it between yourself but not public. give them some respect they did a great job.
if it wasn't because of being busy with my son i would do much more.
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