----------------------------------------------------- note: thomas - this isnt personal. you're just the unlucky bugger who said it.

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Could you mark your posts with [RANT] if you are going off on one?

Todays complete discussion about putting FTP in the subject line has already been finished 55 minutes ago.

woah just a moment. who died and made you the keeper of the worldtime? some people wouldnt even see the msg on the digest yet, and everybody, even if they're ranting, deserves to have their say. this aint a moderated list, and this aint your or anybody except lazlo's list. if he comes in and says its over, then fine he's the boss. but until then everybody can say whatever they like, at whatever time of day or night they like. please remember the list is global, and doesnt run on your clock. ----------------------------------------------------- stuey> stuey>clearly it does, and also it obviously requires a genius to stuey>a) post in plain text and not HTML and stuey>b) delete irrelevant quoted text and not just reply stuey> leaving everything in. unfortunetly, the youngsters these days pass an a+ test and think thats all they need to know about computers and netiquette. and they cant even flame properly either. i really think the only way some of them will get a clue is if we force feed them the collected printouts of the usenet archives :( stuey> A few lines of text in the RM Stringer original was stuey>26K, after a couple of Stuart Bruce and RMStringer replies stuey> this had gone up to 40K. What a ******* waste of bandwidth and if we could get rid of the html, think how much better it'd be. i've previously tried every trick i could to get rid of hmtl, and short of filtering all email through programs i shouldnt have to set up, i cant determine how to do it. i've contented myself by making curses on posters and their children and their childrens children every time they post. ----------------------------------------------------- stuart>Although to be fair, since that argument flared up a stuart>couple of weeks ago, you've posted about a dozen stuart>FTP messages to the list, and you've forgotten every stuart>time... thankfully someones said it. i've been trying to be polite about it, but as we've worked out understanding netiquette must make some of us mensa members. who'd have thought that one day i'd qualify as a genius *L* ----------------------------------------------------- bah! i come home from work nice and happy and now the list is full of noise again all because someone cant remember to put [ftbloddyp] in his subject line. i hope you're enjoying this. typing 5 chars would have saved 144?k. if you culled the html, it would only have been 51k.

What ever I said last night was said in jest. I hope I have not offended anyone. Another slow news day. Andy

RMStringer wrote:

Take a CHILL PILL Stuart. Delete the fucking post with OUTLOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! I can.... It is about KLF Material and other various materials. I open it up once and a while for other people so they can have access to my stuff. SO therefore, it is KLF Related. I have nearly all the KLF mater on MP3 and MPG for people to D/L Anytime on a blanket Password all the time. I sometimes open the whole server for a week at a time for everyone as I have much media to let people gain access to. Make a rule on MS OUTLOOK to delete all posts with FTP in the subject line and you will be ok.

This won't work if you keep refusing to put [FTP] in the subject line.

Sorry for the posts to the rest of the list members, I am just tired of his Shit ALL THE TIME.

If you didn't fail to put [FTP] in the subject line ALL THE TIME, there wouldn't be any shit, with or without a capital S.

It is about KLF Material and other various materials.

the debate isnt whether or not its on topic, its ppl requesting you to put [FTP] at the start of (your) posts that concern ftp stuff. that way, if we create a rule in our mail applications, it'll work. unfortunetly, you seem completely unable to comprehend this. thats the problem.

therefore, it is KLF Related.

and nobody debates that bit. discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.

to let people gain access to. Make a rule on MS OUTLOOK to delete all posts with FTP in the subject line and you will be ok.

if you do that consistently, we would and then everybody will shut up (at least until you forget again).

Thankx and have a good rest of your holiday.

i believe it was only americans who had a holiday. the rest of the world went on as normal.

Sorry for the posts to the rest of the list members, I am just tired of his Shit ALL THE TIME.

if you're tired of it, imagine how we feel. you dont seem to realise that it'll quiet down as soon as you remember to use 5 simple characters [FTP] (and hopefully abandon html and snip posts too). to use a recent post as an example....

---- Original Message ----- From: "RMStringer" <rmstringer@netnitco.net> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: RE: [KLF] how to to access the server

mistake number 1 - no [FTP]

You need a FTP prog... not internet explorer.

possible mistake 2 - thats generally not accurate. versions of ie (after4? definetly5) have support for ftp. i thought netscape would at least do downloading if not uploading to ftp servers as well.

RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif

<my snipage> mistake number 3 - you didnt snip out about 15 lines of signatures, two of which were repeated. its not like we're asking you to shave your head or anything, its 5 extra characters. why is it so hard for you to comprehend this?

On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:32:55PM +1100, brendan wrote:

discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.

is illegal to put KLF material for downloading? where is Kopyright Liberation Front idea? or am I wrong? what about mp3, mpeg, avi, ... ? -- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk KLFMANiK ICQ 12491471 PM2185-RIPE

On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:21:06PM -0600, RMStringer wrote:

HE is talking about "other stuff" on my Server that is all. The KLF material is on a separate folder and login and is there fore not accessible to most of the list members.

ok, but my question was: "is illegal to put KLF material for downloading?" maybe i want to put some files for sharing

On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:32:55PM +1100, brendan wrote:

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discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.

is illegal to put KLF material for downloading? where is Kopyright Liberation Front idea? or am I wrong? what about mp3, mpeg, avi, ... ?

-- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk KLFMANiK ICQ 12491471 PM2185-RIPE

They deleted their whole back catalogue, knowing that - at least in the UK -

cos i have no idea, how do 'new' releases of whiteroom/chillout etc get released then? when hmv has a new shipment of whiteroom/j+a, who gets the money? and who owns the copyright on those cds?

unavailable from "now" (1992) on. So in a KLF sense, downloading the old stuff works against their original intentions.

if it had been remixed and reused, it would be ;-)

but current releases like the live version of "J&A" on the 4Scott album can be bought in almost every shop, and if you search long enough, you will be able to find a copy for 5 ukp only.

and (probably) they'll never been seen in australia, except at hugely inflated prices @ collectors fairs :( being a collector in aust can sure suck somedays.

or download it, you should burn in hell ! :-)

coincedently, i was just given a business card for a local bookstore, and on the back - a 'get out of hell free' pass. contact me (offlist pls) if you feel you need one *L* the universe works in mysterious ways, brendan

I belive that they only deleted their back catalogue in the UK -

that'd make their 'deletion' more symbolic than anything then surely?

they still get the royalties from any international sales. In the UK copies of TWR, CO, HOTJ etc are still widely available as imports.

<cynical hat on> if the klf 'removed' all the (generally cheap) local copies, wouldnt that make the (local and other) fans all buy (generally more expensive) imports, which the klf got profits on anyway? </cynical> cheers brendan

Derek Knight wrote:

But what I think is important tho is the fact that 3am Eternal/What Time Is Love/Last Train, etc etc, haven't appeared on any of the recent ghastly old skool compilations or, for that matter, on a sanitised, family friendly KLF Best Of, which I think is ultimately far more cynical (hello Nirvana and the Manics.)

True.... The only "recent" one that I can think of off the top of my head was the appearance of 3AM on The Dirtchamber Sessions mix CD by Liam from The Prodigy, but that was back in 1999(?).

Jonathan Wakely wrote:

It was WTIL, not 3am

Jon T. Pedant

It's true. My memory sucks today. Not the first time today :-(

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unavailable from "now" (1992) on. So in a KLF sense, downloading the old stuff works against their original intentions.

if it had been remixed and reused, it would be ;-)

Ehm... well, that's the difference between downloading a whole song and SAMPLING (the original thought behind their KOPYRIGHT LIBERATION). :-) --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day