Well I guess we're all having stupid days... Sorry for being narky earlier, another thing I forget is never to post to lists whilst in a bad mood. Although to be fair, since that argument flared up a couple of weeks ago, you've posted about a dozen FTP messages to the list, and you've forgotten every time... Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: RMStringer [mailto:rmstringer@netnitco.net] Sent: 26 November 2002 20:37 To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [KLF] [FTP] Wanda MP's Sorry I forgot....Hey, just delete the message as was said before.... It does not take a genius to do that does it?? RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stuart Bruce Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:56 PM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [KLF] [FTP] Wanda MP's Does it take a genius to put the letters "[FTP]" in the subject line of FTP-related messages? Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: RMStringer [mailto:rmstringer@netnitco.net] Sent: 26 November 2002 19:46 To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: [KLF] Wanda MP's Please do I was down for a while....Try it now. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of A. Yaffe Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:45 PM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [KLF] Wanda MP's I want it! Can you please e-mail it? ResDog ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:webmaster@justified.de"JUSTIFIED To: HYPERLINK "mailto:klf@mailman.xmission.com"klf@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: [KLF] Wanda MP's I got a rip off Wanda's To the Bone from CD its 5MB(128k).. for anyone who's interested by mail.. otherwhise I can put it on RMsFTP but I got now access at the moment.. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail and all attachments have been scanned by the HighSpeed Office virus scanning service powered by MessageLabs and no known viruses were detected. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail and all attachments have been scanned by the HighSpeed Office virus scanning service powered by MessageLabs and no known viruses were detected. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002 ______________________________________________________________________ Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ENDEMOL UK plc unless specifically stated. This email and the information it contains are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and delete the copy you have received from your system. You should not copy it for any purpose, re-transmit it, use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If you suspect the message may have been intercepted or amended please call the sender.
Stuart, Could you mark your posts with [RANT] if you are going off on one? Chill out Andy PS Are you in a bad mood since Katie left?
Everybody keep calm ! You ! Keep calm !
Could you mark your posts with [RANT] if you are going off on one?
Todays complete discussion about putting FTP in the subject line has already been finished 55 minutes ago. There is absolutely NO need in putting another sheet of smart answers into a full bin.
PS Are you in a bad mood since Katie left?
I don't know wether this is serious or provocative, but I DO KNOW that this is a private matter and must not be spread across the list. --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day
----------------------------------------------------- note: thomas - this isnt personal. you're just the unlucky bugger who said it.
Could you mark your posts with [RANT] if you are going off on one?
Todays complete discussion about putting FTP in the subject line has already been finished 55 minutes ago.
woah just a moment. who died and made you the keeper of the worldtime? some people wouldnt even see the msg on the digest yet, and everybody, even if they're ranting, deserves to have their say. this aint a moderated list, and this aint your or anybody except lazlo's list. if he comes in and says its over, then fine he's the boss. but until then everybody can say whatever they like, at whatever time of day or night they like. please remember the list is global, and doesnt run on your clock. ----------------------------------------------------- stuey> stuey>clearly it does, and also it obviously requires a genius to stuey>a) post in plain text and not HTML and stuey>b) delete irrelevant quoted text and not just reply stuey> leaving everything in. unfortunetly, the youngsters these days pass an a+ test and think thats all they need to know about computers and netiquette. and they cant even flame properly either. i really think the only way some of them will get a clue is if we force feed them the collected printouts of the usenet archives :( stuey> A few lines of text in the RM Stringer original was stuey>26K, after a couple of Stuart Bruce and RMStringer replies stuey> this had gone up to 40K. What a ******* waste of bandwidth and if we could get rid of the html, think how much better it'd be. i've previously tried every trick i could to get rid of hmtl, and short of filtering all email through programs i shouldnt have to set up, i cant determine how to do it. i've contented myself by making curses on posters and their children and their childrens children every time they post. ----------------------------------------------------- stuart>Although to be fair, since that argument flared up a stuart>couple of weeks ago, you've posted about a dozen stuart>FTP messages to the list, and you've forgotten every stuart>time... thankfully someones said it. i've been trying to be polite about it, but as we've worked out understanding netiquette must make some of us mensa members. who'd have thought that one day i'd qualify as a genius *L* ----------------------------------------------------- bah! i come home from work nice and happy and now the list is full of noise again all because someone cant remember to put [ftbloddyp] in his subject line. i hope you're enjoying this. typing 5 chars would have saved 144?k. if you culled the html, it would only have been 51k.
note: thomas - this isnt personal. you're just the unlucky bugger who said it.
I might not be the oldest on this list, but years of surfing the internet stopped me taking things personal... ;-) --------
i'm too lazy to look up the references, but i'm certain you can add a port number if its not the default
Should then be ftp://login:pass@ip.ip.ip.ip:port --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day
What ever I said last night was said in jest. I hope I have not offended anyone. Another slow news day. Andy
Take a CHILL PILL Stuart. Delete the fucking post with OUTLOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! I can.... It is about KLF Material and other various materials. I open it up once and a while for other people so they can have access to my stuff. SO therefore, it is KLF Related. I have nearly all the KLF mater on MP3 and MPG for people to D/L Anytime on a blanket Password all the time. I sometimes open the whole server for a week at a time for everyone as I have much media to let people gain access to. Make a rule on MS OUTLOOK to delete all posts with FTP in the subject line and you will be ok. Thankx and have a good rest of your holiday. Sorry for the posts to the rest of the list members, I am just tired of his Shit ALL THE TIME. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf
RMStringer wrote:
Take a CHILL PILL Stuart. Delete the fucking post with OUTLOOK!!!!!!!!!!!! I can.... It is about KLF Material and other various materials. I open it up once and a while for other people so they can have access to my stuff. SO therefore, it is KLF Related. I have nearly all the KLF mater on MP3 and MPG for people to D/L Anytime on a blanket Password all the time. I sometimes open the whole server for a week at a time for everyone as I have much media to let people gain access to. Make a rule on MS OUTLOOK to delete all posts with FTP in the subject line and you will be ok.
This won't work if you keep refusing to put [FTP] in the subject line.
Sorry for the posts to the rest of the list members, I am just tired of his Shit ALL THE TIME.
If you didn't fail to put [FTP] in the subject line ALL THE TIME, there wouldn't be any shit, with or without a capital S.
It is about KLF Material and other various materials.
the debate isnt whether or not its on topic, its ppl requesting you to put [FTP] at the start of (your) posts that concern ftp stuff. that way, if we create a rule in our mail applications, it'll work. unfortunetly, you seem completely unable to comprehend this. thats the problem.
therefore, it is KLF Related.
and nobody debates that bit. discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.
to let people gain access to. Make a rule on MS OUTLOOK to delete all posts with FTP in the subject line and you will be ok.
if you do that consistently, we would and then everybody will shut up (at least until you forget again).
Thankx and have a good rest of your holiday.
i believe it was only americans who had a holiday. the rest of the world went on as normal.
Sorry for the posts to the rest of the list members, I am just tired of his Shit ALL THE TIME.
if you're tired of it, imagine how we feel. you dont seem to realise that it'll quiet down as soon as you remember to use 5 simple characters [FTP] (and hopefully abandon html and snip posts too). to use a recent post as an example....
---- Original Message ----- From: "RMStringer" <rmstringer@netnitco.net> To: <klf@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: RE: [KLF] how to to access the server
mistake number 1 - no [FTP]
You need a FTP prog... not internet explorer.
possible mistake 2 - thats generally not accurate. versions of ie (after4? definetly5) have support for ftp. i thought netscape would at least do downloading if not uploading to ftp servers as well.
RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif
<my snipage> mistake number 3 - you didnt snip out about 15 lines of signatures, two of which were repeated. its not like we're asking you to shave your head or anything, its 5 extra characters. why is it so hard for you to comprehend this?
RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:32:55PM +1100, brendan wrote:
discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.
is illegal to put KLF material for downloading? where is Kopyright Liberation Front idea? or am I wrong? what about mp3, mpeg, avi, ... ? -- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk KLFMANiK ICQ 12491471 PM2185-RIPE
HE is talking about "other stuff" on my Server that is all. The KLF material is on a separate folder and login and is there fore not accessible to most of the list members. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Peter Mann Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:52 PM To: klf@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Kopyright Liberation Front (Was: Re: [KLF] [FTP] [RANT] [OFFTOPIC]) On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:32:55PM +1100, brendan wrote:
discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.
is illegal to put KLF material for downloading? where is Kopyright Liberation Front idea? or am I wrong? what about mp3, mpeg, avi, ... ? -- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk KLFMANiK ICQ 12491471 PM2185-RIPE _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 11:21:06PM -0600, RMStringer wrote:
HE is talking about "other stuff" on my Server that is all. The KLF material is on a separate folder and login and is there fore not accessible to most of the list members.
ok, but my question was: "is illegal to put KLF material for downloading?" maybe i want to put some files for sharing
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 01:32:55PM +1100, brendan wrote:
discussing non KLF items on your ftp server is off topic though. and discussions about uploading stuff thats just been released and is therefore for sale, is technically discussing piracy, and probably against the law where you're from.
is illegal to put KLF material for downloading? where is Kopyright Liberation Front idea? or am I wrong? what about mp3, mpeg, avi, ... ?
-- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk KLFMANiK ICQ 12491471 PM2185-RIPE
ok, but my question was: "is illegal to put KLF material for downloading?" maybe i want to put some files for sharing
Technical copyright lasts for 50 years afaik, and regarding the 1987 LP, Kopyright Liberation was about sampling from other people, because they had already stolen it from others anyway. It was not about getting records without paying for them. But I guess you can't apply normal copyrights in this case - this is more a philosophical question. They deleted their whole back catalogue, knowing that - at least in the UK - they would not be able to sell their records anymore. No sales, no money. It doesn't matter if I pick up a copy of The White Room in your local second hand shop or download all files from an [FTP] server. Bill and Jimmy won't get a penny. On the other hand, they deleted the whole material to make sure it was unavailable from "now" (1992) on. So in a KLF sense, downloading the old stuff works against their original intentions. I will happily download any rare track from 1989, like the White Room Soundtrack or an ultra rare promo mix for example, but current releases like the live version of "J&A" on the 4Scott album can be bought in almost every shop, and if you search long enough, you will be able to find a copy for 5 ukp only. After all, some of the money will be donated to Cancer Care, so if you copy or download it, you should burn in hell ! :-) --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day
They deleted their whole back catalogue, knowing that - at least in the UK -
cos i have no idea, how do 'new' releases of whiteroom/chillout etc get released then? when hmv has a new shipment of whiteroom/j+a, who gets the money? and who owns the copyright on those cds?
unavailable from "now" (1992) on. So in a KLF sense, downloading the old stuff works against their original intentions.
if it had been remixed and reused, it would be ;-)
but current releases like the live version of "J&A" on the 4Scott album can be bought in almost every shop, and if you search long enough, you will be able to find a copy for 5 ukp only.
and (probably) they'll never been seen in australia, except at hugely inflated prices @ collectors fairs :( being a collector in aust can sure suck somedays.
or download it, you should burn in hell ! :-)
coincedently, i was just given a business card for a local bookstore, and on the back - a 'get out of hell free' pass. contact me (offlist pls) if you feel you need one *L* the universe works in mysterious ways, brendan
brendan wrote:
They deleted their whole back catalogue, knowing that - at least in the
UK -
cos i have no idea, how do 'new' releases of whiteroom/chillout etc get released then? when hmv has a new shipment of whiteroom/j+a, who gets the money?
and who owns the copyright on those cds?
I belive that they only deleted their back catalogue in the UK - they still get the royalties from any international sales. In the UK copies of TWR, CO, HOTJ etc are still widely available as imports.
I belive that they only deleted their back catalogue in the UK -
that'd make their 'deletion' more symbolic than anything then surely?
they still get the royalties from any international sales. In the UK copies of TWR, CO, HOTJ etc are still widely available as imports.
<cynical hat on> if the klf 'removed' all the (generally cheap) local copies, wouldnt that make the (local and other) fans all buy (generally more expensive) imports, which the klf got profits on anyway? </cynical> cheers brendan
that'd make their 'deletion' more symbolic than anything then surely?
<cynical hat on> if the klf 'removed' all the (generally cheap) local copies, wouldnt that make the (local and other) fans all buy (generally more expensive) imports, which the klf got profits on anyway? </cynical>
Well, I'd imagine they would've deleted everything everywhere if they could, but as was mentioned earlier, they only have full control over their UK back catalgoue. TVT/Wax Trax have control over the American releases, which are then imported over here to satisfy demand. The KLF won't get more money because of that process, only the record companies and shops will. And in my experience, most of the imports aren't all that expensive anyway. You certainly shouldn't be paying over £15 for CO, WTR or HOTJ. And to be honest a quick shop around your local record shops usually turns up the goods. I've picked up Shag Times, The White Room and Who Killed The Jams on original vinyl in top notch condition all for under £15 each. And there were of course the recent repressings of CO, 1987, Space, etc. In a way, of course the deletion was symbolic. It's not as if the songs will go away. They're out there in the public domain due to the millions of records sold, and radio stations can still play them. But what I think is important tho is the fact that 3am Eternal/What Time Is Love/Last Train, etc etc, haven't appeared on any of the recent ghastly old skool compilations or, for that matter, on a sanitised, family friendly KLF Best Of, which I think is ultimately far more cynical (hello Nirvana and the Manics.) Del ----------------------------------- Derek Knight djnite@klf-communications.com http://www.djnite.co.uk
Derek Knight wrote:
But what I think is important tho is the fact that 3am Eternal/What Time Is Love/Last Train, etc etc, haven't appeared on any of the recent ghastly old skool compilations or, for that matter, on a sanitised, family friendly KLF Best Of, which I think is ultimately far more cynical (hello Nirvana and the Manics.)
True.... The only "recent" one that I can think of off the top of my head was the appearance of 3AM on The Dirtchamber Sessions mix CD by Liam from The Prodigy, but that was back in 1999(?).
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:53:12PM +0000, Craig Earnshaw wrote:
The only "recent" one that I can think of off the top of my head was the appearance of 3AM on The Dirtchamber Sessions mix CD by Liam from The Prodigy, but that was back in 1999(?).
It was WTIL, not 3am Jon T. Pedant -- "Knuth taught me the answers. Dijkstra taught me the questions." - Alexander Stepanov
True....
The only "recent" one that I can think of off the top of my head was the appearance of 3AM on The Dirtchamber Sessions mix CD by Liam from The Prodigy, but that was back in 1999(?).
Yeah, that was 1999 (and it was What Time Is Love, actually. sorry to be pedantic!) The difference there was that it was a wicked album! And there are individual thanks to both Bill and Jimmy in the album credits (the only other artist thanked is John Lydon, probably because of the Pistols 'New York' being used in full.) Interestingly, I think Liam wanted to use 3am Eternal originally, as stated in an interview in the NME. Perhaps Bill and Jimmy only let him use What Time Is Love? Who knows. Del
unavailable from "now" (1992) on. So in a KLF sense, downloading the old stuff works against their original intentions.
if it had been remixed and reused, it would be ;-)
Ehm... well, that's the difference between downloading a whole song and SAMPLING (the original thought behind their KOPYRIGHT LIBERATION). :-) --- Thomas Touzimsky same shit // different day
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