All this OT stuff about Icke has got to stop, I think. Despite the initial stages of Gulf War 2: the Sequel rolling out on the TV news tonight, this is a KLF forum, discussing issues concerned with the works of Drummond and Cauty, or so I was lead to believe. World conspiracies probably have their own newsgroups, where hundreds of words of text dumped on it with no explanation whatsoever is probably (a) welcomed and (b) desirable. If by asking about the Illuminati I have opened a can of philosophical worms, them I am sorry. (Just be glad Bill and Jimmy didn't call their group "Bilderberg"). If Simon House wants to continue this discussion off list, I am more than willing to chat (until I get bored). I am sure an exchange of our respective views would be must illuminati(ng). David Icke is definitely NOT "anti-semantic", as Mr. House correctly points out. In fact, I have never heard him mention any branch of linguistics in a derogatory manner. However, he is extremely "anti-semetic". This is the last time I mention this subject on this list. John Not Scots, just Scott-ish