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From: John Milne

To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land.

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:49 AM

Subject: Re: RE: [KLF] Cauty/STP23 +discog update

A lot of the PT samples seem to date from Cauty's experimental 1989 period (when he worked on "Eternity Project One", the beginnings of the Orb, and various side projects like "Brooklyn New York") before returning to the commerical fold with melodies and ambient loveliness later on that year.  The "penetration seven minutes" sample, for example, appears in "Space" (which presumably was originally started in 1989, too, with Alex).

I'm not sure if this makes it a genuine KLF record, or goes anyway to ending the argument.  But then, bootlegs have always been an area of confusion.  Beatles bootlegs sometimes feature Rutles tracks, etc.

John

> Message date : Dec 06 2004, 09:23 AM
> From : "Maarten Bouwes"
> To : klf@mailman.xmission.com
> Copy to :
> Subject : RE: [KLF] Cauty/STP23 +discog update
> Factually incorrect?
>
> Is that because you've paid a hughe amount of money for just a record or is
> it because there actually have been 5 releases in your opinion (including
> pt3)?
>
> Check www.brandnew.co.uk, klf, interview video clips and d/l the 3rd
> interview and listen closely.
>
> I have never seen labels floating around from WTIL pure trance or 3 am. As
> one said before "I wouldn't touch that if i were you".
>
> The only ones to confirm the existance of the record are B&J. I think that's
> going to be a waste of time and effort asking them since they'll laugh at
> you for asking about the KLF past..
>
> It's time to sit back and relax and await all relevant arguments.
>
>
> Maarten
>
>
>
> >From: "Chris Peel"
> >Reply-To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land."
> >To: "'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.'"
> >Subject: RE: [KLF] Cauty/STP23 +discog update
> >Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 16:01:28 -0000
> >
> >
> > >From the PT5 on eBay...
> >
> >"5 releases of the pure trance series were planned. One a week. Only PT1
> >(004T/R), PT2 (005T/R) and PT5 (008R) saw the light of day. The other 2
> >were never released due to the ambient thing. Their sleeves and labels
> >were pressed upfront to save money. Ambient was the bomb at that time.
> >Jimmy admitted in an interview that Turn Up The Strobe and Love Trance
> >never were recorded. Now and then PT3 aka Love Trance shows up but it's
> >reported to be a counterfeit. This due to several issues. Check the KLF
> >mailinglist archive for discussions on PT3."
> >
> >
> >Factually incorrect, but fascinating none the less. However, as you're
> >claiming this is a forgery, can you enlighten the list as to where the
> >Monster Attack Mix (featured on the B-side) came from and what 'Love
> >Trance' actually is called (and who wrote it)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com
> >[mailto:klf-bounces+chris=k23productions.com@mailman.xmission.com] On
> >Behalf Of Maarten Bouwes
> >Sent: 05 December 2004 13:59
> >To: klf@mailman.xmission.com
> >Subject: [KLF] Cauty/STP23 +discog update
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi list,
> >
> >I've put some early Cauty/stp stuff on ebay together with a copy of
> >Space,
> >JAMSLP4 and PT5.
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4057695571
> >
> >The discog doesn't mention a release date for the goldfinger mixes nor a
> >
> >release year.
> >My copy contained a sticker with the releasedate on it saying
> >11-11-1989.
> >Maybe something to update.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Maarten
> >
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