Maybe Kris can help me out with this. If I remember correctly the Orb got ripped off by the guy who ran WAU! Mr. Modo. What about Big Life, did they screw you out of payments as well? I read once that there was a time when the Orb was going to be on the KLF Communications label, but it didn't work out. I think it had something to do with a falling out between Jimmy and Alex. I would imagine that if the Orb had been on KLF Communications they would have made much more cash. I just don't get the feeling that B & J would be out to rip anyone off. On the other hand they might have burned all the paychecks. Don "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com