September 2013 - KLF - mailman.xmission.com

Recovered and remastered again
by Steve Watson 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

People! I didn't own a KLF record until six months ago. I might have had one or two tracks on early 1990s compilation cassettes. I've now got a nice little box of CDs and most of what's available. Kylie Said to Jason is bloody awful so that's the only thing I've not bought. A friend leant me his collection and whilst the cheaper option would have been to bootleg it I've sourced original versions as far as possible! KLF Shop provided some very good stuff and yes I know it's provenance is questionable i.e. The White Room OST but if you appreciate what Messrs Cauty and Drummond did its an essential item. The Recovered and Remastered series are a valuable and much appreciated addition to my collection. I don't know where this notion about them being CDRs came from but its wrong and the whole series have been given serious studio time and its down to choice, if you like your KLF with crackles and glitches stick to the rough stuff, if you want a nice smooth listen I suggest you try one of the Recovered series. Again if you like your KLF pure and 24 years old that's up to you I don't know how many people are actually on this list and it might well be very limited. If you keep music in a box and get indignant when someone refreshes it you'll end up with a stagnant dwindling audience. My partner is a further education teacher and she's used various KLF tracks in class sessions when they come in, it focusses their attention and the kids (circa 16 to 19) love it, Doctorn the Tardis went down a storm and Grim up North knocked them sideways! Its new to them rather than the KLF being some obscure band that languishes on a shelf!

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Re: [KLF] Bootlegging
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

I really don't see a problem with the bootleg sales. Let's remember Lost Sounds of Mu Vol 1 and 2, and The White Room Original Soundtrack, and Arkive 1 and 2 were all created and SOLD by list members. And we happily bought them. Not to mention the 1987 CD, Ultra Rare Trax, SPACE, etc. Perhaps it's because music is so freely available to download in decent quality than it was in 1997 that people are becoming 'disgusted' with the practice. The way I see it, if I want something bad enough, I'll pay for it. (hello positive void) However, if you're just going to rip your KLF collection and sell a disc full of mp3s... Let us also remember that B&J deleted their catalog. They're not losing any money on any of this because they refuse to make money off it. -paul

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Re: [KLF] Bootlegging (tom dawson)
by Dj Hombre _ 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

I've got one...thanks for reminding me to dig it out and have another listen! Very unusual CDr though. I remember being impressed at the production quality at the time. > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:38:55 +0100 > From: tom dawson <tom_dawson(a)hotmail.com> > To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [KLF] Bootlegging > Message-ID: <DUB402-EAS1394B88F770D205C37DCA55E62E0(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > So how many of you own the original black CD versions? ;-) >

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Nice to Kommunicate!
by Steve Watson 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

I think I might have started all this Recovered and Remastered / bootlegging debate off. Interesting difference in opinion. I will never buy a bootleg if the official release is available and (without you laughing) I had a bootleg of Ultra Rare Trax until I came across KLF Shop and bought what I asume is a bona fide bootleg! Work that one out! If there's a recording artist being ripped off through bootlegging its a no no! Its only through email exchanges with the source of the Recovered and Remastered series that I see them as labours of love, appreciation of the KLF and a determination to give the existing fan base decent quality recordings and new variations, my KLF collection is so much better by having them! On a related note on Ebay (UK) White Room Soundtrack is on offer as are Lost Sounds Vol 1 and 2 (joint item). I don't have Vol 2 but to be frank I'm not a completist and there' nothing on there that makes me want it unless its under say £20, same goes for Kylie Said to Jason and noting that a copy went on Ebay for £40 there's a copy on Amazon for (I think) £27! Both the OST and Lost Sounds 1 are on KLF Shop, I've asked about Vol 2 but didn't get a reply!

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Bootlegging
by Peter Granstrom 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter

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Re: [KLF] Bootlegging
by Jondoeclsm 24 Sep '13

24 Sep '13

The second one was clearly a bootleg. Sent from Samsung Mobile Xav <alunare(a)gmail.com> wrote: Apologies for the duplicate, my email client crashed. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 09:49:31, Xav (alunare(a)gmail.com) wrote: Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Its funny how you've managed in the space of one sentence to completely contradict yourself by qualifying as "bullshit" every argument which doesn't go your way. -- Xav Sent with Airmail On 24 septembre 2013 at 07:25:41, Orbstreperous Fritz (orb(a)ocara.org) wrote: 100% agreed. Also, it's funny to see how easy it is for people to pass judgement and to come up with bullshit to discern what's good bootlegging from what's bad bootlegging. On 24 September 2013 06:20, Peter Granstrom <ruskprick(a)hotmail.com> wrote: I find a lot of the comments of the bootlegging issue a bit out of line. Seems like some people still think it's the early 90's when everyone and their uncle bought hundreds of CDs. I would be very surprised if the Recovered & Remastered series even broke even. They are obvioulsy manufactued in a very limited run. My guess would be maximum 500 copies each and I hardly think they sell more than a few hundred of each title. The production cost of 500 factory pressed CDs is fairly high. Add to that all the hours put in mixing, editing and "cleaning" the masters, and producing high quality artwork. These bootlegs are very well made, a true labour of love. If the guy makes a few bob at the end of the day, good luck to him. Peter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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Re: [KLF] consider this?
by Bert Klauninger 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Well I have to say that I do agree with what Xavier said. It is one thing (although probably not legal as well) to distribute this stuff for free among the small group of list members, but it is another thing to put such items on eBay for sale. And: I'm sure the KLF did not make money from sampling the Beatles or ABBA :) Sampling is not comparable to selling loads of music without holding the copyright. But other people might think different about this. Nevertheless, no need to shout! Best regards Bert ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- From: Bill Pilkington <williampilkington(a)yahoo.com.au> To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [KLF] consider this? this subject of making money from The KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front) makes me laugh... did Whitney or Petula Clarke or The Beatles see a dime from KLF's use of their copyrighted recordings... NO THEY DID NOT!!! the way i see it is that a bunch of dudes on here are uptight that their precious low circulation collected shares are in danger of being exploited and commercialized on, just as KLF did to others. only difference is Jimmy and Bill didn't bitch about it. just lighten up and let karma run it's course... ------------------------------ *From:* Xav <alunare(a)gmail.com> *To:* All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com>; Antti Lavio < antti.lavio(a)possu.org> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 September 2013 11:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [KLF] consider this? Well i don't mind paying someone for the price of the USB stick, postage and time taken. I do take issue however on people making money on The KLF's work. I find that objectionable. However, i will recant on the R&R Volumes that are original remixes, then if its the remix artist selling them and getting the cash, thats cool. --XavSent with Airmail <http://airmailapp.info/tracking> To: "klf(a)mailman.xmission.com" <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com>

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woke up to mail that wasnt a bill
by Elliott 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

Woo Hoo, got my CD & T today thanks....... HELP, bit of a dilemma though, I wanna play the CD and not open it.

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Re: [KLF] KLF Digest, Vol 125, Issue 3
by Mauro Boris 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

I'm ask again to come in Bologna for do or a dj set or a live act as KLF (I was realy friend of Martin Patterson and is bros alex too) again Boris > From: klf-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: KLF Digest, Vol 125, Issue 3 > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:05:08 -0600 > > Send KLF mailing list submissions to > klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > klf-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > klf-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KLF digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Justified Ancients Sounds From Lost Clouds (Joaquin) > 2. Mailing list messages stored somewhere? (Antti Lavio) > 3. Re: Mailing list messages stored somewhere? (Damin J. Toell) > 4. Recovered & Remastered Special Remixes (Thomas Touzimsky) > 5. FTP Down (Kjetil Johnsen) > 6. The Black Room.... (Adam Stalker) > 7. Re: The Black Room.... (Thomas Touzimsky) > 8. Orbcasts (..again) (Antti Lavio) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:23:14 +0200 > From: Joaquin <rontxo.pimpampum(a)gmail.com> > To: "klf(a)mailman.xmission.com" <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: [KLF] Justified Ancients Sounds From Lost Clouds > Message-ID: > <CAMHV0Bo-Si7rM3oJS2m_BkQrXqNzeTp251+MLm=dZkkZ6cmZuQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > https://soundcloud.com/jams23/klf-intro-stadium-house > > Enjoy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:44:39 +0300 > From: Antti Lavio <antti.lavio(a)possu.org> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: [KLF] Mailing list messages stored somewhere? > Message-ID: <5232DE87.5000804(a)possu.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Does anyone know if it is possible to download all messages as files > from somewhere? > > Mailmission seems to have messages from 97 to early 02 here > ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/klf/archive/ but not from 02 to present. > > Since this list doesn't have administrator anymore (or...?), I'd really > like to save these if something happens to list. > > -- > anttil. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:06:19 -0400 > From: "Damin J. Toell" <djtoell(a)gmail.com> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: [KLF] Mailing list messages stored somewhere? > Message-ID: > <CABfTnoRdsyVs5=rgYqjS3d_Y12WFRT+m8w8LcGbj8orJqUWk9w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > See if you can do anything with this: > http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/list/klf.en.html > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Antti Lavio <antti.lavio(a)possu.org> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if it is possible to download all messages as files from > > somewhere? > > > > -- > Damin J. Toell, Esq. - djtoell(a)gmail.com >

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consider this?
by Martin Dixon 23 Sep '13

23 Sep '13

JAMMS, KLF, TIMELORDS, 2K, KALEVALA, TRANSIT KINGS & More. Hello to all KLF fans this is a once in a lifetime offer!!! I am willing to provide you with a quality 32GB memory stick filled with 32GB of everything you could ever wish for to do with Drummond & Caulty. Photos of everything connected with Bill & Jim All the albums, singles, remix’s, official & unofficial this comprises of a mix of Flac, MP3 and recorded vinyl. Band info, history, press, gossip, discography. Mp4, FLV & MPEG Videos – large collection incl. some v rare items Copies of all the printed interviews. Copied pages from the old fan sites (interesting?) Sample kits for loads of tracks to remix yourself Lyrics for everything Other KLF projects – huge file Kollaborators – up to date files for everyone connected. This collection has been amassed over the last 20 yrs and is only offered to genuine fans I doubt true hardcore fans will find a lot new here but an interested part time or new fan will find this collection a fascinating, interesting, compelling, read & viewing with content that’s unique to casual browsers due to it no longer being available. This amount of information (32GB) has never been offered for sale before. I also realise that once I sell the first stick the possibility of a copy of it turning up on eBay is almost guaranteed! I will offer this up for sale at £39 to list members before considering offering it to the general public. Orders accepted now, please reserve yours by sending ma an email to Mixdamuzik(a)ymail.com You can ask me questions re the contents but there is so much I can’t list it all but I will give details on the content of specific subjects if required. Mixdamuzik.

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