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RE: [KLF] "Justified Ancient History" by Pete Robinson
by Shrimpton Mark 16 Aug '22

16 Aug '22

Hi all, Unfortunately I need to raise some cash so have had to place some items on ebay. Pete Robinson book Justified And Ancient History The Unfolding Story Of The KLF 4009726257, and loads of original biogs and info direct from Trancentral 4009725194. I know this is a shameless plug, but needs must. Mark -----Original Message----- From: klf-bounces+shrimpton.m=mellon.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-bounces+shrimpton.m=mellon.com@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Milne Sent: 25 April 2004 20:11 To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] "Justified Ancient History" by Pete Robinson Hi everyone, I managed to get hold of a copy of "Justified Ancient History" on e-bay a few weeks ago. I thought others on the list might like to read it too (if they don't own a copy already) and have set up a Yahoo Group with scans of each page in the photos section: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/klf-history/ I hope you enjoy it! John _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf The information contained in this e-mail may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the named addressee. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any information contained therein by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately by returning the e-mail to the originator.(B)

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Japanese Box Set singles volume level
by Thomas Touzimsky 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Comparing the tracks from the Japanese singles from the TIWTKIA boxes... is it just me or is their volume level lower than that of the UK/EU pressings? ..::// Thomas Touzimsky "After you finish the first 90% of a project, you have to finish the other 90%." - Michael Abrash

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Senf TV The17 interview with Bill
by Dj Hombre 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

I'm guessing this has already been posted, but why not post again; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j231Wr4ZBJQ Bill is sporting a cropped look nowadays. If you want the book, it's out later this month; http://beautiful-books.co.uk/230.html ...also available through Amazon it seems. Cheerio neil http://www.djhombre.com _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/

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Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian
by Tim Tim 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Its fine collecting art just because its B&J, but the bottom line is art is about how the viewer or listener perceives & enjoys it. I've bought quite a few of jimmys cnpd prints and ended up selling some because I felt i'd bought them for the wrong reason. When I took time to stop and look at the pictures some just didn't float my boat,and I couldn't justify keeping them. ----- Original Message ---- From: klfboy _ <klfboy(a)hotmail.com> To: All bound for Mu-Mu Land. <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, 26 July, 2008 5:22:43 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian Art is OK, if the audience gets the message. But saying that recorded music is over, and time to move on to 17-person choirs, all this by a person who's become famous as a manager for bands AND a recording artist in his own right, with some pretty collectable albums and singles under his belt, is pretty confusing, isn't it? So if that was the point, to confuse, it succeeded :D You are right about tolerating the weird shit, but for me, it still seems like Bill's trying to distance himself from everything he's ever done musically, and doing it with a spoiled boy's attitude, as John Whitney said. > From: andrew(a)andrewfox.co.uk > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:56:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian > > > What made the KLF interesting to me was the whole world they created > around their music - it was never just about their music. I don't love > everything Bill D or Jimmy C have done since the KLF, but for people > to moan on a KLF list about 'art' and 'stuff that isn't related to > music' and general 'weird shit', is absolutely bizarre to me. We're > talking about the KLF for chrissakes. The KLF!! The finest weird art > pop rave band of all time! If you don't like, or at least tolerate the > weird shit, then why on Earth could you be arsed to be on this list? ________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs |...
by TheRitesOfMu＠aol.com 27 Jul '08

27 Jul '08

In a message dated 26/07/2008 07:56:32 GMT Daylight Time, andrew(a)andrewfox.co.uk writes: What made the KLF interesting to me was the whole world they created around their music - it was never just about their music. I don't love everything Bill D or Jimmy C have done since the KLF, but for people to moan on a KLF list about 'art' and 'stuff that isn't related to music' and general 'weird shit', is absolutely bizarre to me. We're talking about the KLF for chrissakes. The KLF!! The finest weird art pop rave band of all time! If you don't like, or at least tolerate the weird shit, then why on Earth could you be arsed to be on this list? I'd have to agree... Lets see if we can get Bill & Jimmy sitting next to Simon on Britains got talent.... LOL Wizard Keep Listening forever

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Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian
by dan＠danhutchins.com 26 Jul '08

26 Jul '08

"Artists" get into trouble when they forget that they are entertainers. -----Original Message----- From: klfboy _ [mailto:klfboy@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:45 PM To: 'All bound for Mu-Mu Land.' Subject: Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian > Drummond is just a rich white spoiled brat who lives in the most > fortunate place in the world to catch live music. He's got everything > he needs at his fingertips and is too lazy to get off his ass and do > anything relevant. Years and years ago, if my memory serves me right, before the 2K gig and after the money-burning, there was a reader's letter in Wire or in some other mag (I can dig it up if there's interest), which used almost the very same words about B+J: "very rich and bored men". Although I still think that KLF _is_ the best band ever and ALL of their stuff is golden, I could understand what the reader meant. I think I never really got the point of the burning, the books, or Jimmy's one-off musical projects. Sure it sounds like fun, but only for the chosen. I mean, I never got the chance or money to go to the 2K gig, or any later prank. If I'd be living in London, at least I had a clue of their references. But for the usual fan anywhere else in the world... Now, not only I _fully_ understand that writer's anger, but I feel the same. Someone said actions speak louder than words, but for me, these actions areless moving than that (abandoned???) book project with Zodiac. The 17, or X$X or all that one-day projects MAY have some meaning in England, but for me over here the joke is totally lost. Or worse: I feel that the joke is on the audience and the participants, even worse: the former fans. It's like we should ALWAYS pay attention if there's a chance to get them see again in what they once did best: making music, I mean all this WAITING (lol), just to fall flat on our faces again...again...and again! It's like some elitist stuff: once the filmed trip to Jura (at least that was BEAUTIFUL), then these arty-farty projects. You MUST be there to hear it, to participate, to...then BOOM, it will be deleted. Just like their back catalogue. What next, Bill buying up the fan's collections, just to destroy them? Come ON Bill, why did You formed the JAMS/KLF in the first place? Is he REALLY that furious about his former pop career? Or is it just an act? Who knows? Who cares???? Jeez. What is available now to Average Joe is the books, the usual CD's and not much else. No new music, no old music re-released, null, zilch, I mean f**k nothing. It's OK, at least I can treasure my stuff, but it's always annoying that nowadays more people know scooter than the KLF. Seriously. At least Jimmy did some music which can be re-listened, even if it's very far from anything they've done together. Now to the "content": Drummond DOES have some points, BUT what now? Forming choirs or folk-bands, performing rave music? Deller once did that, and he _did_ have some understandable references (miner bands, poverty, etc.). Imagine your local choir singing WTIL, or Altern8 tracks, or your local music teacher trying to play Autechre or Coil or Black Dog songs. F**k no, these artist were relevant because at that time noone could re-create their sounds. Thank God that there ARE recordings! Electronic music and popular music relies heavily upon recordings. It's not like Beethoven or Mozart. It depends on the equipment too. It's the sound of now, yet some parts of it became classics and therefore sheet music. But still there's no point stepping back those hundred steps and re-create. Even when there are a zillion Elvis impersonators, noone will re-create his voice again. > Recorded music is only over for Londoners and New Yorkers who can't > afford rent, nevermind a CD, but there's so many people worldwide who > still find excitement in buying an LP or a CD, listening to it at > home, on their way to their shitty job, ...and there's always some interesting music which deserves to be bought. That's the way to support the artist to keep doing what he does. That's why we bought our KLF (and other) stuff. It may sound silly, but I still prefer the CD over mp3. I love the 12's, the 7's and the CD's. Just the music, in poor quality, no covers, no nothing, what's that? If it's important for one, why not buy it. > Drummond needs to get his head out of his ass and leave England before > he claims to speak with ANY authority. Exactly what I thought. Bill should get his act together and do something relevant, or at least retire in style, not just trying to be relevant and put others into the lights, then put the blame on them when his pranks don't work. Let's face it, he'll always be remembered as a part of KLF, no matter how hard he tries to be (or act like) a postmodern artist or a money-burning. Think about it: even burning one million (or some sum like that) couldn't erase the memories of their hits. KLF was pop music, with hits, some veiled references, but You weren't filed as "stupid" if You haven't got all their references instantly: the musicSTILL made sense. I think there are some other artist who suffer the same as Bill. Orb, Bjork, FSOL and others. Once they made fun and interesting music. Now they became, like, "Serious", and all the good stuff is gone, because they're like...Serious Post-Modern Artists. And if the audience doesn't get it, "they aren't intelligent enough". If that's the case, they can count me out and continue on their ego trips up into their asses, I won't buy it. I'd rather get some fresh and interesting music with proper lyrics and music, with more subtle messages. If a joke must be told over and over again, shoved down on the audience's throat and they STILL don't get it, it doesn't mean that they aren't schooled enough. There's STILL a fine line between stupid and clever, as that famous Spinal Tap quote said. ------------------------------------------------------------ Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!

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Re: [KLF] Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-personchoirs | Music | The Guardian
by Thomas Touzimsky 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jul/25/billdrummond And another --- "Moreover, he has a point: given that CD sales are falling while live shows are packed out, there's certainly a chance that artists will give up making records and concentrate on performing." --- If it wasn't for recorded music and only live performances, how would I know about all the bands I like? Am I supposed to move to the UK just to listen to the stuff that isn't interesting for other German listeners? Would I be stuck with lame local bands who think they can play indie rock? ..::// Thomas

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Bill Drummond rejects recorded music in favour of 17-person choirs | Music | The Guardian
by Andrew Fox 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jul/25/billdrummond Quote: He says he found the more usual reaction - grumpily wallowing in the music of one's youth - equally unpalatable, and seems genuinely horrified by the suggestion that the music scene would be livened up considerably if he reformed the KLF. "Nostalgia," he frowns, "is a killer. I know that stuff isn't working for me, but what drives me is not disillusion, it's excitement. Instead of harking back about, 'Well, music used to have this thing,' I think it's great that this is happening. That period is over. Recorded music is now over. We've got a fresh slate, we can create all this new stuff that doesn't have to fit those parameters of what recorded music was. It's an incredibly exciting period for a young person making music."

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Re: [KLF] KLF burn ?1,000000 retired quid
by Tim Tim 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

Fair point, all the profit was theres they didn't have to hardly dish out any money to anyone else they had copyright on the songs and owned the label. They would have earned millions, in the documentary i'm of the opinion that b&J only let us see what they want us to see, they did seem remarkably calm about it all. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Reed <mpreed(a)gmail.com> To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 9:31:08 PM Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF burn ?1,000000 retired quid This always bothered me - apologies if it's been scraped through before - but if you look at the Omnibus programme, at approx. 07:08 minutes in, they show the statement for KLF communications, displaying the 1,000,000 quid withdrawal, but two lines down there's clearly a deposit of 1,130,000 - i.e they withdrew a million then almost immediately deposited just over a million. Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:40:27 +0100 From: "Andrew Shinn" <andrewshinn(a)tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [KLF] KLF burn ?1,000000 retired quid To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <487E5CBB.31864.4D579F(a)andrewshinn.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've heard this before but I'm sure on the "Burn A Million Quid" film or on the Omnibus Documentary for the BBC there is a close up camera shot of the bank statement showing the ?1,000,000 withdrawal _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Jams LP6 matrix
by Tim Tim 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

Just wondered if anyone can answer this question, the matrix no on lp6. I have 3 copies of jams lp6, 1 promo with pyramid stamp and 2 regular issues, the matrix reads Jams Lp6 A2/B2 on all of them, usually first pressings would read A1/B1. Does anyone own an lp6 with the A1/B1 matrix or does anyone have the answer? If there is an A1/B1 matrix does it differ? Go on everyone get your LP6' out and have a look! __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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