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Re: KLF004T reissue distortion
by Tony Stuart 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

>vinyl is fairly thin and during the kinda high-pitched "ooo-OOO" bits in WTIL (I can post a time for this sound if no-one gets what I mean) it sounds quite distorted on my copy, on both sides/mixes. same here, you may or may not be pleased to learn! t -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Re: [KLF] WTIL mixes on CD (was Re: 12" acetate @ebay)
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

> Perhaps I was just unlucky and got a bad pressing but the 'classic trance mix' on > KLF004R, which is one of the KLF004T mixes, is the same. This mix (the one with a > beat) can be found on some CD singles of WTIL Live At Trancentral (eg the Australian > 'Wicker Man' CD) with perfect sound quality but i've yet to find the other mix (with no beat) > on CD, or even a decent mp3. Does anyone have any suggestions? And does anyone > else have a similar copy of KLF004T or do everyone else's play perfectly? =) You're referring to the two mixes on the first 12", right (004T)? Labeled Original and Mix 2? Sorry, I'm not thinking straight today. Both mixes ARE available on CD. The Original mix shows up on, for example, the US TARDIS cd single. The Mix 2 mix appears on the Jap box set of CD singles. I want to say it's on another cd but I honestly couldn't tell you which. -paul

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WTIL versions for Simon
by John Milne 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Hi, Simon, KLF4T side "a" (The Pure Trance Original) can be found on a wide variety of CDs (all of which are, of course, deleted) including: JAMSCD4, KLF4CD, the German 3" WTIL CD, the Dance Pool AWTIL CD single, the TV 5-track Tardis CD, the "Wicker Man" sleeve Oz CD, and the Austrian Power Mix CD single. It is also available on vinyl on KLF4R and the US "Pure Trance" 1 single (and JAMSLP4, of course). However, as far as I'm aware, KLF 4T side "b" (which is sometimes called The Pure Trance Classic, to differentiate) is only available on ... the Austrian Power Mix CD single - and even then it shouldn't be! The track listing should have been Power Mix 7" and 12" version, and KLF4T side "a". However, it only features the 7" version of the Power Mix, and BOTH sides of KLF4T as tracks 2 and 3. Occasionally this CD appears on E-bay (the last one was "buy it now" for £35). The other two mixes from KLF4R have never appeared on CD. John

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Re: [KLF] Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by thomas＠klf.de 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Tadaa! And here I am! > The story I heard about the "Deep Shit" 12" (and Thomas should be able > to confirm this) was that someone in London DOES have the record, Yep. The same person also put it on eBay for sale some months ago, but withdrew the auction later. Got to ask him wether he still owns his copy. (*looks@wallet*) > containing 3 tracks "Deep Shit", "M E (Club)" and "Lover's Side > (Extended)". Thomas recorded it, when he visited him - but its possible > other copies/versions have "escaped" since. Not entirely true. I wasn't there myself, but two of us (Jens and Torsten (?)) went seeing him, and along some other interesting stories and cool items (I got a 12" inner sleeve with drawings by Jimmy all over it) he also dug out the disc with "Deep Shit" and "Lovers' Side (extended)", allowing my mates to record it onto minidisc. > The discography lists two versions of "Deep Shit" on the 12" ("D S (Part > 2)" and "D S (Part 3 - The Illegal Mix"), but I've only ever heard the > one with KSTJ sampled on it, as described. It even has a catalogue > number which refers to KSTJ - KLF 010IR (the "I" for illegal?) It's still unconfirmed wether or not THIS particular entry is legitimate or all made up. The one on the 12" mentioned above plays the version with KSTJ, YMCA and The Queen & I, with Bill shouting "Stop that pop shit, what we want is some deep shit!" (also part of the hidden track on R&R) > I have no idea what the record actually looks like - but the presence of > a (very good sound quality) Lover's Side extended version and a > Madrugada Eterna (Club Mix) without all the pops and crackles the Dutton > 12" has, suggests that its, if not entirely genuine, then at least made > up by someone VERY close to the band (didn't Youth and Alex and B & J > have a sort of thing going with limited editions for friends only back > in '89 - like the WTIL (Monster Attack Mix) and possibly Love Trance?) That certain someone is indeed very close connected to Jimmy. He also told us about some of Jimmy's earlier remixes long before Crapola did, as well as confirmed that the 5ive remix indeed exists, but never got published due to his non-commercial sound for the label. ..::// Thomas

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RE: VERY OT: Self-promotion again
by klf-communications＠arcor.de 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

i can not found "The KL Em - Justified & Shady" where is this track? http://www.klf-communications.tk/ (tempormary offline)

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Re: [KLF] Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by Maarten Bouwes 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Just received an email from dancetraders concerning this 12". I asked him about the authenticity, which of course he couldn't guarantee, and he advised me not to bid.. Moreover, he also wrote that he expected an email from me sooner or later. Can you believe that!? Looks like I am the bootleg police... So, no exciting news from dancetraders.. Maarten _________________________________________________________________ MSN Zoeken, voor duidelijke zoekresultaten! http://search.msn.nl

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Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by John Milne 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

The story I heard about the "Deep Shit" 12" (and Thomas should be able to confirm this) was that someone in London DOES have the record, containing 3 tracks "Deep Shit", "M E (Club)" and "Lover's Side (Extended)". Thomas recorded it, when he visited him - but its possible other copies/versions have "escaped" since. The discography lists two versions of "Deep Shit" on the 12" ("D S (Part 2)" and "D S (Part 3 - The Illegal Mix"), but I've only ever heard the one with KSTJ sampled on it, as described. It even has a catalogue number which refers to KSTJ - KLF 010IR (the "I" for illegal?) I have no idea what the record actually looks like - but the presence of a (very good sound quality) Lover's Side extended version and a Madrugada Eterna (Club Mix) without all the pops and crackles the Dutton 12" has, suggests that its, if not entirely genuine, then at least made up by someone VERY close to the band (didn't Youth and Alex and B & J have a sort of thing going with limited editions for friends only back in '89 - like the WTIL (Monster Attack Mix) and possibly Love Trance?) As far as the other 12" is concerned, with the three versions of "M E" on it - didn't someone once say this was sold on e-bay years ago? I have an mp3 (very good quality) of an edit of the club mix, about 3 mins 15 secs, which seems to have come from a promo for commercial release. Which leads me to wonder ... ... If it HAD been released in early 1990, I wonder if "M E" could have been a chart hit hit, considering it would have coincided with similar things like Enigma? John PS - According to Google, Neil Dutton works in the IT department of Leeds University and has no connection to the KLF (except possibly a cassette single of "Justified and Ancient" in his loft). I meant "Mike Dutton", of course - but then, all knew that, didn't you? ;-)

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RE: [KLF] Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by Don Gagen 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

"Yup, I spotted that too, Maarten. My initial reaction is - could Neil Dutton have pressed up an acetate before pressing up the "Italian" mix bootleg?" Who is Neil Dutton? Mike Dutton was involved in the 1 sided "Italian" bootleg. Is this the same person or a relation? "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com

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RE: [KLF] Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by Maarten Bouwes 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

I remember weÂ´ve had this discussion about the variety of M EÂ´s out there but thatÂ´s a while ago. If itÂ´s real, this is the 2nd M E surfacing ebay (the first was sold by a french guy, iirc xavier and this is the second one). On the other hand, Dancetraders sold the PT3 which many clame to be a counterfeit. And I remember Thomas saying something about an unmarked 12" containing deep shit. DonÂ´t think thatÂ´s an acetate. My guess itÂ´s the Dutton version. The scratched out part should be enough to cover the PA(..) part. Maarten >From: "John Milne" Reply-To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." To: Subject: [KLF] >Re: 12" acetate @ebay Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:10:27 -0000 > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >>y=58636> &item=4002676032&category=58636 > >Yup, I spotted that too, Maarten. My initial reaction is - could Neil >Dutton have pressed up an acetate before pressing up the "Italian" mix >bootleg? > >As far as I'm aware, the only genuine appearances of "Madrugada Eterna" on >12" vinyl (and therefore, the only time an acetate would have been made by >the KLF themselves) would have been either (a) the infamous "Deep Shit Part >3" single (which features the club mix of "M E" alongside "Deep Shit" and >"Lover's Side (Extended)") or (b) the KLF ETERNA 1 12", which features >three versions of "M E", including the original, the club mix and a club >mix edit. > >In fact, wasn't KLF011T also meant to be "Madrugada Eterna" for a while (as >well as the aborted Christmas 1989 single of "No More Tears" which the >children's choir from the "White Room" OST)? > >In short, if this IS an acetate - then its one made up in preparation of a >bootleg (ETERNA 23), I think. > >But, like you say, others share your thoughts . > >John > >_______________________________________________ KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/

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Re: 12" acetate @ebay
by John Milne 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4002676032&categor y=58636> &item=4002676032&category=58636 Yup, I spotted that too, Maarten. My initial reaction is - could Neil Dutton have pressed up an acetate before pressing up the "Italian" mix bootleg? As far as I'm aware, the only genuine appearances of "Madrugada Eterna" on 12" vinyl (and therefore, the only time an acetate would have been made by the KLF themselves) would have been either (a) the infamous "Deep Shit Part 3" single (which features the club mix of "M E" alongside "Deep Shit" and "Lover's Side (Extended)") or (b) the KLF ETERNA 1 12", which features three versions of "M E", including the original, the club mix and a club mix edit. In fact, wasn't KLF011T also meant to be "Madrugada Eterna" for a while (as well as the aborted Christmas 1989 single of "No More Tears" which the children's choir from the "White Room" OST)? In short, if this IS an acetate - then its one made up in preparation of a bootleg (ETERNA 23), I think. But, like you say, others share your thoughts . John

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