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origins of trance
by tom maclean iii 14 Dec '02

14 Dec '02

being into trance, and watching it morph from an ultra-repetitive niche of techno into the biggest pop dance movement since disco, i've often wondered where it all started. a lot of people point to sven vath's "accident in paradise" as the first point in which techno became trance, having been released around 1992 or so. but what about the klf? the pure trance series, which first hit streets in 1988, could have easily been the first collection of tracks ever released that claimed to be trance... but the burning question remains - did they in turn inspire what eventually came to be widely defined as trance or was their style simply pingeon-holed as acid house and left at that? are the klf the true forgotten fathers of trance, or was their influence isolated to the pop world alone. i was 11 when 3am eternal hit number 1, and i've been stuck stateside my whole life, so my perspective is limited. perhaps some of you ultra-oldskool brits can help me out here... cr3.chromix.tom.maclean.iii -- http://stereoboom.com "never buy things in dreams. you'll just wake up empty handed."

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Silent Protest cards
by Price, Rikki 14 Dec '02

14 Dec '02

...can also be got in London at American Retro on Old Compton Street (in a rack right by the door)

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RE: [KLF] KLF 005R
by Don Gagen 14 Dec '02

14 Dec '02

It's the pressing plant if I remember correctly. Don -----Original Message----- From: Pieter Gieszen [mailto:gieszen23@zonnet.nl] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:36 AM To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] KLF 005R Hi, I recently bought a 12"inch white-label which turned out to be a wl testpressing of KL 005R. The run out groove on both sides has KLF 005R A/B but also 'ADRENALIN'. Can anyone tell me something about this connection with Adrenalin? Thanx Pieter _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf

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Re: [KLF] more on the origins of trance : 91-95
by tom maclean iii 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

exactly.. i remember seeing that 5 (!) years ago and thinking "creators of trance? wow who knew..." then again, they are a trance creator, sven vath is a trance creator, i am a trance creator, paul van dyk is a trance creator, bt is a trance creator, etc etc etc... so there you go :) ---------- Original Message ------------- Subject: Re: [KLF] more on the origins of trance : 91-95 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:59:31 -0000 From: "Andrew McCombe" <andrew(a)euperia.com> To: <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Had a read through one of the chapters of '45' last night. The one where they have finished recording 'F*** the Millennium'. In there, they are planning their usual full page adverts and bill writes 'Creators of Trance...' Drummond himself reckons they created it in it's modern-dance format at least. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Parker" <James.Parker(a)flgroup.co.uk> To: <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [KLF] more on the origins of trance : 91-95 > Tom, > here's my perspective on the trance thing. > > i got into the dance music thing more and more from the summer of 1990 > onwards. I'd missed out on the KLF circa 87-88 but got into them after the > onslaught on the charts during 90-1. After getting into the ambient music > of Chill out, The ORb, Banco De gaia, System 7 i started looking for > something a little bit more uptempo and beaty, namely what was being called > trance in the dance press. > > The excellent Vibes (dance music) section in NME was my bible as it featured > many of the upcoming artists and loads of 12". It was often edited by Kris > Needs (Secret Knowledge) and Sherman both who were big players on the DJ > scene around london at the time. Reviews would often refer to trance as a > description for the music of labels like MFS, Sabres Of Paradise, Hard > Hands, Rising High, Eye Q at al. Generally their sounds were a blending of > the ambient world music samples and harmonic synths but with a techno tempo > and hardness. i bought a compilation in 1991 on React (it may have been one > of their first) called 'Trance, Explorations in Progressive House, Tribal > Dub and ???' Featuring artists like React 2 Rythmn, Drum Club, Age Of Love > & Bizarre Inc it was a good summation of the trance sound at the time, much > less defined and more encompassing than it became in the late 90's during > its second coming. There was a lot more tribal sounds in the mix back then. > If anything the second coming in 98-9 was a sound more akin to goa trance > and acid techno, (utilising those teeth-grating wasps-in-a-jamjar synth > arpeggios) which didn't emerge until 93-4 from clubs like 'Return to the > Source' and the other UV day glo trance clubs scene developing in south > London. > > Hope that helps. > > James > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are CONFIDENTIAL > and may contain legally privileged information. If you are > not the intended recipient you should not read, copy, > distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in > this e-mail or any attachment(s). > Please also e-mail, telephone or fax us immediately and > delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. > E-mail may be susceptible to data corruption, interception > and unauthorised amendment, and we do not accept liability > for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the > consequences thereof. > Please note that any views expressed in this email may be > those of the originator and do not necessarily reflect > those of this organisation. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________ > This OUTBOUND message from Frontline Limited > has been checked for all known viruses by > the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf cr3.chromix.tom.maclean.iii -- http://stereoboom.com "never buy things in dreams. you'll just wake up empty handed."

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Re: [KLF] Recent Bill/KLF Articles scanned in...
by Maarten Bouwes 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Has it occured to anyone that the article credits Miles Thige? Is he still pissed or is he just really inactive? Maarten _________________________________________________________________ Chatten met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger. http://messenger.msn.nl/

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RE: [KLF] more on the origins of trance : 91-95
by James Parker 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Tom, here's my perspective on the trance thing. i got into the dance music thing more and more from the summer of 1990 onwards. I'd missed out on the KLF circa 87-88 but got into them after the onslaught on the charts during 90-1. After getting into the ambient music of Chill out, The ORb, Banco De gaia, System 7 i started looking for something a little bit more uptempo and beaty, namely what was being called trance in the dance press. The excellent Vibes (dance music) section in NME was my bible as it featured many of the upcoming artists and loads of 12". It was often edited by Kris Needs (Secret Knowledge) and Sherman both who were big players on the DJ scene around london at the time. Reviews would often refer to trance as a description for the music of labels like MFS, Sabres Of Paradise, Hard Hands, Rising High, Eye Q at al. Generally their sounds were a blending of the ambient world music samples and harmonic synths but with a techno tempo and hardness. i bought a compilation in 1991 on React (it may have been one of their first) called 'Trance, Explorations in Progressive House, Tribal Dub and ???' Featuring artists like React 2 Rythmn, Drum Club, Age Of Love & Bizarre Inc it was a good summation of the trance sound at the time, much less defined and more encompassing than it became in the late 90's during its second coming. There was a lot more tribal sounds in the mix back then. If anything the second coming in 98-9 was a sound more akin to goa trance and acid techno, (utilising those teeth-grating wasps-in-a-jamjar synth arpeggios) which didn't emerge until 93-4 from clubs like 'Return to the Source' and the other UV day glo trance clubs scene developing in south London. Hope that helps. James ------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are CONFIDENTIAL and may contain legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you should not read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail or any attachment(s). Please also e-mail, telephone or fax us immediately and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. E-mail may be susceptible to data corruption, interception and unauthorised amendment, and we do not accept liability for any such corruption, interception or amendment or the consequences thereof. Please note that any views expressed in this email may be those of the originator and do not necessarily reflect those of this organisation. ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________ This OUTBOUND message from Frontline Limited has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service.

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more on the origins of trance
by tom maclean iii 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

delerium was around in 87? no shit. out of curiousity, was their sound labeled as "new age" at the time? that genre still cracks me up to this day... especially when i see aging new wavers selling their analog synths on ebay saying "good for rock or new age, whichever you do". i guess eno would be a logical place to start, if you want to talk about trance. i remember as late as 96, trance was basically defined to most people as ambient with a beat. funny, considering by 95 jackpot records was releasing some very polished trance tracks that could have very well been the ethos for modern oakenferrytiesto-ism (not to speak ill of jackpot - they STILL rock!). to prove my point here's a description of trance, as a genre, from an old mod site from around 96 or 97: "A form usually based on acid style samples and unusual melodies. Similar to ambient, but more often the overall tone is more disorganized and hits a spot much deeper in the gut. Usually very long playing times are the order of the day. Recommendations include watching a weird light show alongside the sounds; meditative." and another: "Very similar to both ambient and acid-house, trance is softer on the ears and body than most techno, but still keeps you dancing (unlike most ambient, where the effects are more profound if you SIT DOWN and listen). It's designed to try and take you, literally, into another world." ah yes, the good ol days. oh, and just to drive my point further, here's something i dug up from hyperreal.org, describing some experiences a promoter had throwing an on-campus rave back in the very very early 90s: "We did have one problem at Sundial III...I just told people over email "whoever wants to spin, just show up." I didn't realize that only one DJ spun "fast" stuff, and a few hours of trance didn't make for the best dancing, and that put some people off. If I had to do it again, I would have tried to find more breakbeat, hardcore, and tribal DJs and left the trance for late in the night when people are tired of dancing anyway. It was kind of sad, because the trance DJs spun really good stuff to listen to, but it just didn't raise the energy level of the people there very much." trance with no energy, huh? last i checked most trance djs keep their sets around 137-142, hardly what i'd consider slow. and now that i think about it, the trance dj could have very well been playing "last train to trancentral" given the description. i wouldnt have considered eno the founder, but if trance was once a kissing cousin of ambient it makes sense. so basically, i'm agreeing with you...! but did eno actually release anything, calling it trance? if not, the question remains: were the klf helping to found a new genre when they called their music trance? or were they just following a trend that a number of others had already started? THERES a better question! (man, we could teach a class on this shit!) ---------- Original Message ------------- Subject: RE: [KLF] origins of trance Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:43:58 -0600 From: "RMStringer" <rmstringer(a)netnitco.net> To: <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> Can anyone say ENO??? I always thought that the genre befell from him and the movement in the early 80's in the Detroit area. The experimental music has been around for a while and I think that it evolved. I may be wrong. I think the experimental evolved in Trance. Delerium did some Kool stuff in 1987..Now look at them. Please feel free to debate. RMStringer " You Have No Conscience And IT Seems You Never Will" Nothing Stays - Cyberaktif -----Original Message----- From: klf-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:klf-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of tom maclean iii Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:12 PM To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] origins of trance being into trance, and watching it morph from an ultra-repetitive niche of techno into the biggest pop dance movement since disco, i've often wondered where it all started. a lot of people point to sven vath's "accident in paradise" as the first point in which techno became trance, having been released around 1992 or so. but what about the klf? the pure trance series, which first hit streets in 1988, could have easily been the first collection of tracks ever released that claimed to be trance... but the burning question remains - did they in turn inspire what eventually came to be widely defined as trance or was their style simply pingeon-holed as acid house and left at that? are the klf the true forgotten fathers of trance, or was their influence isolated to the pop world alone. i was 11 when 3am eternal hit number 1, and i've been stuck stateside my whole life, so my perspective is limited. perhaps some of you ultra-oldskool brits can help me out here... cr3.chromix.tom.maclean.iii -- http://stereoboom.com "never buy things in dreams. you'll just wake up empty handed." _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _______________________________________________ KLF mailing list KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf cr3.chromix.tom.maclean.iii -- http://stereoboom.com "never buy things in dreams. you'll just wake up empty handed."

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Re: [KLF] THIS IS WHAT KLF ARE ABOUT - the mp3 collection
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> I think it is crap. Most of them sound like they were stored in someone's > cellar, and many of the mixes are mislabelled. For example, there still is > no "benio dub" on those... I wouldn't go so far as to say they're crap but yes, the quality varies greatly. This collection was made at least three years ago, maybe more. mp3s are 128k and are from a variety of sources. I can tell you the tracks I contributed were sent in on cassette tape! Your KLF Instant Record Collection but you will also want to seek out originals. -paul Currently in rotation: George Harrison - Brainwashed; Paul McCartney - Back in the US; Sparks - Live in London

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origins of trance
by JUSTIFIED 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

"Trance music started evolving in the late 80's under three main influences: the first was the electronic new wave/industrial music, the second was the electronic techno disco of Detroit; and the third was the psychedelic music of the seventies. The first step towards what we know nowadays as Trance or Goa Trance was done in 1988 with the introduction of the TB 303 sound into straight beat dance music, and the amazing effect it was found to perform over people dancing. This effect was further enhanced by the administration of a rediscovered drug called MDMA (or 3, 4 methylene-dioxy-methamphetamine) or as it was popularly labeled on the streets "Ecstasy" and so Acid music was born and brought upon the UK the summer of love." -- from extremis.psykotraz.com or look here: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/DJOASIS/trance%20pages/history_of_trance _music.htm fact is.. the trance empire started (official named) with the end of the acid house summer. **** Perhaps Brian Eno, Giorgio Morroder, Jean Michele Jarre and Mike Oldfileld with his " Tubular Bells" 're the pioneers of trance music ? ****

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RE: [KLF] more on the origins of trance
by Don Gagen 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

I thought ambient with a beat was just ambient house. A term that the KLF used quite often and one that I think they came up with. -----Original Message----- From: tom maclean iii [mailto:tom@stereoboom.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:12 PM To: RMStringer Cc: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [KLF] more on the origins of trance i guess eno would be a logical place to start, if you want to talk about trance. i remember as late as 96, trance was basically defined to most people as ambient with a beat. funny, considering by 95 jackpot records was releasing some very polished trance tracks that could have very well been the ethos for modern oakenferrytiesto-ism (not to speak ill of jackpot - they STILL rock!).

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