Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows?
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously. In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file. Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds. Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description... - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Jemison Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 12:23 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion Subject: [Fractint] WAV -> MIDI converter? Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
There is a program that does an so so job of sound file to midi conversion ... see intelliscore.net site ... A friend has used it and says it work for some kinds of sound sources, I have not tried it. But this is a very hard problem and full of lots of rough edges On 06/10/2015 04:40 PM, Hal Lane wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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??? A couple I have found so far... http://www.ofoct.com/category/audio-converter http://amazingmidi.software.informer.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Hal Lane <hallane@earthlink.net> wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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Bill, You said:
A couple [of .wav to .mid converters] I have found so far... I'm pleased to be proven wrong!
However a close reading of the description of the 2nd program you listed: http://amazingmidi.software.informer.com/ indicates that its ability is quite constrained. They say: "Currently, automatic music transcription has no substantial solution in general, but with some restrictions of the domain [this software operates in,] it can be both possible and useful." Good find, Bill! - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Jemison Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:24 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion Subject: Re: [Fractint] WAV -> MIDI converter? ??? A couple I have found so far... http://www.ofoct.com/category/audio-converter http://amazingmidi.software.informer.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Hal Lane <hallane@earthlink.net> wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint
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Hal, What I am finding is that all the wav to midi converters are extremely limited in accuracy. They are very blunt instruments, useful in only limited circumstances. Because of the very things you mentioned, I don't expect much. The reason I even am looking into this is that I would love to have a tool that would translate wav files into midi notes (not sounds or samples). I just want the notation and timings. I think one large stumbling block is that I want micro-tonal translation. Not just whole and half steps (black and white keys). Ultimately, I would hope to be able to directly record the output from fractint to the PC speaker as a wav file and then translate that through a software solution into midi notation. Of course, I have already done that in a much more convoluted process 20+ years ago. At that time, I studied the midi specifications and wrote my own program (I believe in FoxPro) to convert the data contained in the sound.txt file produced by fractint into midi files. It was a monumental project for a total midi novice. The best example is probably "Inhale" http://tinyurl.com/ppyjwj5. It was made using a fractint-produced sound.txt file(s) and is unaltered as to timings and rhythm and notation. Of course, in midi you have/get to determine the instruments, relative volume, etc. But all the astonishing shifts in mood, etc occurred in the fractint output. I didn't dice and splice...it is all linear production. Unfortunately, all my programs and much of the work product was lost in a catastrophic disk failure, and following unsuccessful attempts at restoring from tape backups that didn't work, I lost momentum on the project, and abandoned the midi pursuit in favor of more pure methods of obtaining audio fractals. But it was a fun and productive project that I would like to resurrect without having to go through all the learning again...time has taken it's toll on my energy for doing that again. Bill https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Hal Lane <hallane@earthlink.net> wrote:
Bill, You said:
A couple [of .wav to .mid converters] I have found so far... I'm pleased to be proven wrong!
However a close reading of the description of the 2nd program you listed: http://amazingmidi.software.informer.com/
indicates that its ability is quite constrained. They say:
"Currently, automatic music transcription has no substantial solution in general, but with some restrictions of the domain [this software operates in,] it can be both possible and useful."
Good find, Bill!
- Hal Lane
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??? A couple I have found so far...
http://www.ofoct.com/category/audio-converter
http://amazingmidi.software.informer.com/
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Hal Lane <hallane@earthlink.net> wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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This is very interesting and touches on something that I have had questions about. I have little technical knowledge of computers and learned about graphic programs and things like .jpeg compression on this list. I have a general understanding of this because it is easy to picture a pixel and how there could be different kinds of averaging of adjacent pixels etc. A few years ago I received the only existing copies of 8 or 10 cassettes of a band that had a local following in the 70's. I got the hardware and cables and put the cassettes in my old Harmon-Kardon cassette player and transmitted it to the computer, and used i-Sound pro, which is a great inexpensive program, and made some archival .wav files and lower compression .mp3's and sent it to the musicians and friends. I can definitely hear the difference with highly compressed music files. When I was puzzling over this, a friend who works in this said "There is nothing like a pixel in sound." So this really seems to be the deeper question- "What is sound? How can it be digitized? I never looked into it. Just now, was reading the Wikipedia entry about MIDI which seems very good- the section on "technical specifications" seems to be addressing this question. Just wondering if you have something interesting to say about this- the people on this list are very smart. ;-) Personally I was never a fan of MIDI, for example when Jerry Garcia was playing the MIDI guitar. Reading the Wikipedia article made some sense of this- basically the system allows one to sample a myriad of sounds of a certain amplitude or duration, I guess the mix of wavelengths and amplitudes reproduces what we hear as a sound or music, but there has to be a certain limitation on the number of samples- maybe a good musician playing an acoustic instrument has variations that just not are contained in the samples? Or was it just a function of the way it was used or the limited samples and technology back in the day. Kathy Roth Here's the link to the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI On 6/10/2015 5:40 PM, Hal Lane wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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Kathy - I have found that one of the few things that sound less satisfying than bad midi is the computer speaker. Midi sounds are only as good as the samples they are based on. I think what a lot of people have in mind in converting wav to midi is being able to play a close approximation to the wave file in the MUCH smaller midi file. I think that would be a really unsatisfying result in most cases. I am looking to translate the output of fractint to midi *notation* so I can assign a new sound to the PC speaker sound. I have little interest in finding PC speaker samples <g>. I have done what I am looking for previously through my own programs which were lost in a crash. Here is an example of a fractint output played as taiku drums. Notice that this file is micro-tonal. "Orbit Talk" can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/p5uba85 Bill https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Kathy Roth <kroth@well.com> wrote:
This is very interesting and touches on something that I have had questions about. I have little technical knowledge of computers and learned about graphic programs and things like .jpeg compression on this list. I have a general understanding of this because it is easy to picture a pixel and how there could be different kinds of averaging of adjacent pixels etc. A few years ago I received the only existing copies of 8 or 10 cassettes of a band that had a local following in the 70's. I got the hardware and cables and put the cassettes in my old Harmon-Kardon cassette player and transmitted it to the computer, and used i-Sound pro, which is a great inexpensive program, and made some archival .wav files and lower compression .mp3's and sent it to the musicians and friends. I can definitely hear the difference with highly compressed music files. When I was puzzling over this, a friend who works in this said "There is nothing like a pixel in sound." So this really seems to be the deeper question- "What is sound? How can it be digitized? I never looked into it. Just now, was reading the Wikipedia entry about MIDI which seems very good- the section on "technical specifications" seems to be addressing this question. Just wondering if you have something interesting to say about this- the people on this list are very smart. ;-) Personally I was never a fan of MIDI, for example when Jerry Garcia was playing the MIDI guitar. Reading the Wikipedia article made some sense of this- basically the system allows one to sample a myriad of sounds of a certain amplitude or duration, I guess the mix of wavelengths and amplitudes reproduces what we hear as a sound or music, but there has to be a certain limitation on the number of samples- maybe a good musician playing an acoustic instrument has variations that just not are contained in the samples? Or was it just a function of the way it was used or the limited samples and technology back in the day.
Kathy Roth Here's the link to the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI
On 6/10/2015 5:40 PM, Hal Lane wrote:
Bill, You asked:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for
Windows? There is no algorithmic way to perform this task -- hence there can be no program to convert .wav to .mid.
The crux of the matter is the extreme condensation of the .mid specification -- it is basically the name of an instrument; a specification of the note to be played and its duration. Multiple instruments and notes can be specified to be sounded simultaneously.
In contrast, .wav files are audio sound waveforms. The waveforms of multiple simultaneously-played sounds are added together resulting in their sum -- effectively representing a (digitally encoded) particular air pressure at any one instant in time in the .wav file.
Audio sound waveforms can be converted between different audio sound waveform encodings, like .mp3 .wav and .ogg . Here are a few hundred more: http://fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio
However, converting from .mid to .wav is easy. At every moment, in however fine a time slice is being used, each instrument's note's sound pressure is added to every other note playing at that moment. This sound pressure (or amplitude) is the value stored in the .wav file for that moment in time. The air pressures must be represented 10's of thousands of times a second in order to be able to encode and play back "faithful" sounds.
Sorry for the hurried, off-the-cuff description...
- Hal Lane
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Bill Jemison wrote:
I have found that one of the few things that sound less satisfying than bad midi is the computer speaker.
Which is why I use the Bose Companion 2 Series III Multimedia Speakers on my computer. They are surprisingly well made and produce a good sound, even when cranked up enough to hear throughout a four bedroom home. ;-) I have had speakers for one of my stereo systems which did not sound as good. :( Sincerely, P.N.L.
On this day, about 60 years ago. Lloyd Garrick (JackOfTradeZ) was born. Give a wish for a good day, and many more to come!!! :-) Sincerely, P.N.L.
JackOfTradeZ, Congratulations on making around the Sun 60 times -- and on calculating untold numbers of pixel values! - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:47 AM To: fractint@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Fractint] A Member Has A Birthday.... On this day, about 60 years ago. Lloyd Garrick (JackOfTradeZ) was born. Give a wish for a good day, and many more to come!!! :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Happy birthday from an older ‘fractaler' (65)…now I can explore the infinite fractal dimensions at my leisure :) Alex Dukay
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JackOfTradeZ, Congratulations on making around the Sun 60 times -- and on calculating untold numbers of pixel values!
- Hal Lane
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On this day, about 60 years ago. Lloyd Garrick (JackOfTradeZ) was born.
Give a wish for a good day, and many more to come!!! :-)
Sincerely, P.N.L.
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On 06/10/2015 06:23 AM, Bill Jemison wrote:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows?
It's not free, but there's a shareware one that worked under Wine. TallStick Audio-to-Midi 3.30. Haven't looked at it in years, not sure it even exists anymore, don't remember how good it particularly was. IIRC, I fed it a recording with voice and full instruments and orchestra, and it came out with a full score with every note. Of course, every note on the same staff made it pretty useless, but it did recognize them. I decided the only way to really use such a thing would be to do a lot of filtering to try to cut down the range of frequencies it heard. But I think I decided in the end it was easier to just play along with the audio and record the midi from my keyboard. -- David W. Jones gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com
It is readily available I found. However, it appears that it is limited to the notes on a piano. The first filter it uses does that. I am sure that micro-tonal capability will be the hardest to find - if it exists at all. It seems to me that that would be a really monumental task to program. thanks, Bill https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:48 AM, david <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 06/10/2015 06:23 AM, Bill Jemison wrote:
Does anyone know of a good, preferably free, .wav to .mid converter for Windows?
It's not free, but there's a shareware one that worked under Wine. TallStick Audio-to-Midi 3.30.
Haven't looked at it in years, not sure it even exists anymore, don't remember how good it particularly was. IIRC, I fed it a recording with voice and full instruments and orchestra, and it came out with a full score with every note. Of course, every note on the same staff made it pretty useless, but it did recognize them.
I decided the only way to really use such a thing would be to do a lot of filtering to try to cut down the range of frequencies it heard. But I think I decided in the end it was easier to just play along with the audio and record the midi from my keyboard.
-- David W. Jones gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com
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