In a message dated 7/13/06 6:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net writes: if you can find it somewhere, this might be a solution for a while. At least until you can finally upgrade. Thanks very much, Paul, I'll go 'mining for legacies' and see if the version is around. Cheers! peter S.
Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or even months, old? You could lose friends that way! You can at least discover if you are in trouble by freqquently using an on-line scan of your machine such as ... www.auditmypc.com/ https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 www.dslreports.com/scan John W. ----- Original Message ----- From: RENRAD1@aol.com To: fractint@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 In a message dated 7/13/06 6:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net writes: if you can find it somewhere, this might be a solution for a while. At least until you can finally upgrade. Thanks very much, Paul, I'll go 'mining for legacies' and see if the version is around. Cheers! peter S.
Interesting. I have a new laptop but for most things prefer my old computer with Windows 98 because it can run Fractint and some DOS games and it has the big monitor and I'm just used to it. I find the old computer runs the old stuff and the new computer runs the new stuff like music downloading and graphics and it's just simpler that way. Anyway, I don't have a firewall or virus software but have avoided problems, perhaps because I have an old version of Netscape rather than IE. Or maybe just lucky or stupid. I never download porn or click on anything that I have not actively gone to. I just ran all that and it came out healthy. Kathy Roth John Wilson wrote:
Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or even months, old? You could lose friends that way! You can at least discover if you are in trouble by freqquently using an on-line scan of your machine such as ...
www.auditmypc.com/ <http://www.auditmypc.com/>
https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
www.dslreports.com/scan <http://www.dslreports.com/scan>
John W.
John Wilson wrote:
Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or even months, old?
If you use the Pro version of ZoneAlarm, then there might be some validity your statements above. That is because it has a SPAM detector which does need constant updates, just like SpyBot, Ad-Aware, etc... But the FREE version of ZoneAlarm that used to run on Windows-98, which recently (on 06/16/06) was no longer being upgraded, does not need constant "DAT" type files like the detectors of spyware and virus scanners. The actual updates that came out with ZoneAlarm were very sparse, maybe once every 3 to 5 months on the average. The last one for the Win-98 version came out on 03/28/2006, before that it was on 11/22/2005. Therefore, the firewall still has its uses on older Windows systems. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
To avoid getting my knuckles rapped for being off-topic, I've replied to your personal e-mail address! :-) John W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98
John Wilson wrote:
Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or even months, old?
Hi all. Thanks to all for the outpouring of advice and data. I am fully occupied this weekend with my 30th (?!?) anniv. high school reunion, a lot of housecleaning, and a couple of barbecues, so will have to digest it all later. I suppose the best thing to do would be to run a second computer for my legacy apps, but I don't have the space for it. For now I will have to deal with one system, config TBD. I think I will have to stick with Windows 98se, since when running under Windows (as opposed to a DOS boot) FractInt has some funny graphic quirks, my image format converter's memory access is very limited, and many games won't run. On a related topic, I am looking for advice on how to fix a specific problem related to the upgrade. Being unable to log on to Microsoft's site, I sent an e-mail to support but have heard nothing. When Explorer 6.0 crashes I get the following error: EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0167:78015ca2. I checked into this when I was at work, and the DLL is related to Visual C++ as a check for writing data beyond allocated memory. It is for this reason that I believe this is a FAT issue. The automatic upgrade did not overwrite that DLL, probably because it was patched and the file in my C:\Windows\System folder is more recent than the upgrade. I have tried to manually extract the upgrade DLL from its 98se Upgrade Disk cabinet but Windows refuses, probably for the same reason. Thanks again, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 18:14 Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98
John Wilson wrote:
Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or even months, old?
If you use the Pro version of ZoneAlarm, then there might be some validity your statements above. That is because it has a SPAM detector which does need constant updates, just like SpyBot, Ad-Aware, etc...
But the FREE version of ZoneAlarm that used to run on Windows-98, which recently (on 06/16/06) was no longer being upgraded, does not need constant "DAT" type files like the detectors of spyware and virus scanners.
The actual updates that came out with ZoneAlarm were very sparse, maybe once every 3 to 5 months on the average. The last one for the Win-98 version came out on 03/28/2006, before that it was on 11/22/2005.
Therefore, the firewall still has its uses on older Windows systems.
Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
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Hi, I don't think that is a FAT issue, but I can tell you how to extract the DLL Get the file out of the cabinet with WinZip or similar, it will be called MSVCRT.DL_ . In a dos window, type 'extract' it will list instructions, but it is usually just 'extract blah.dl_ blah.dll' Hope this helps, but make sure you keep copies of file that you overwrite, in case it gets worse Paddy
Paddy Duncan wrote:
Hi, I don't think that is a FAT issue, but I can tell you how to extract the DLL Get the file out of the cabinet with WinZip or similar, it will be called MSVCRT.DL_ . In a dos window, type 'extract' it will list instructions, but it is usually just 'extract blah.dl_ blah.dll' Hope this helps, but make sure you keep copies of file that you overwrite, in case it gets worse
And, if Windows doesn't want to let you replace the DLL because it's in use ... boot from a DOS floppy disk, then do the above process. -- David gnome@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community
Mark Christenson wrote:
...unable to log on to Microsoft's site... When Explorer 6.0 crashes I get the following error: EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0167:78015ca2. ........ I have tried to manually extract the upgrade DLL from its 98se Upgrade Disk cabinet but Windows refuses...
I believe the most current version of the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library, within an upgraded Win-98 system, is 6.10.8924.0, and should be 290,869 bytes in size. You most likely will need to load it into the C:\Windows\System\ directory path while booted to DOS, instead of from Windows Explorer. If you have problems extracting it from the CAB file, then you can retrieve it from this location: http://home.att.net/~Fractals_5/MSVCRT.zip Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
For those individuals that actually try out posted PAR files to this List, here are some to get you by until Jim Muth comes back from vacation: TheHole01 { ; (c) Paul N. Lee -- Jul 17, 2006--11:17:03 ; time= 0:00:08.95 on a PIII-700 at 640x480 ; Video=SF5 using FractInt 2004.4 ; reset=2004 type=fn+fn function=tanh/sinh center-mag=-0.569359/-2.49474/14.40193/0.9995 params=7/7/7/7 bailoutest=and inside=maxiter potential=255/200/0 finattract=y periodicity=0 colors=000seL<7>dSEbQE`OD<3>VH9TG8RE7<2>L84C0C050<16>0GF0HG0IH\ <2>0KK0LL0LK<14>0A5094083<3>050000E42000XC9fGD<3>500L84<3>fPFl\ TIrXLxaO<8>_KCXIBVGA<3>J74G53D21A09042<3>0C90FB0HD<6>0ZQ0`S0cU\ <3>0ma<3>0fY0eX0cW<3>0WS0UQ0SO<4>0JF0HD0FB<2>09507307307307350\ 0<4>E30F40H50J60L70N70<7>aE0cF0eG0<3>mK0<12>M70K60I50<3>810500\ E42<2>fGD<3>500C0C<8>I7KI8LJ8M<3>MCQNDRNESOFTPGU<4>KEQJDPIDO<3\
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TheHole02 { ; (c) Paul N. Lee -- Jul 17, 2006--11:19:32 ; time= 0:00:05.38 on a PIII-700 at 640x480 ; Video=SF5 using FractInt 2004.4 ; reset=2004 type=fn+fn function=cotan/cos center-mag=-2.04886/-0.445618/14.1998/1/-17.5255683043806343/4\ .60913313495014965e-007 params=8/8/8/8 float=y maxiter=1500 bailout=222 bailoutest=and inside=maxiter potential=255/200/0 finattract=y periodicity=0 colors=000fUG<2>aPBNF7<3>UMC000XPE<3>dXKeYLg_M<3>ogS<8>aSG_QFY\ PE<3>RH9PF700000068D<13>9CJ9CKACK<3>AEMAEMBFN<2>BFNBFMBFMBELBE\ L<13>9BH9AH9AG<4>79E79E79D<9>56B56A56A569559<3>557557446<2>334\ bRC<6>oePqgRriS<3>zr_<3>tkUsiTrhS<3>k`LiZJhXI<3>aPBOI4<3>h_Lmd\ QriUxnZ<3>jbPg_McXJ<2>UOBQL8PK6OI468D<9>BELCELCFMCFMDGNDGOEHPF\ IQ<4>CELBDKADJ<3>79F68D79E<4>GIOIKQKMS<3>RU_<7>ILRHKQGJP<3>CEK\ BDIACH<2>68DaPB<8>nbOodPpfQ<2>ukVvmWvlW<2>tjUsiTqgR<3>kaLj_KiY\ JgWH } TheHole03 { ; (c) Paul N. Lee -- Jul 17, 2006--11:15:29 ; time= 0:00:06.86 on a PIII-700 at 640x480 ; Video=SF5 using FractInt 2004.4 ; reset=2004 type=fn+fn function=cotan/cos center-mag=-1.56999/-0.00183105/2.104898/0.9995 params=8/8/8/8 maxiter=1500 bailout=222 bailoutest=and inside=maxiter potential=255/200/0 finattract=y periodicity=0 colors=F14nQ3<4>`I2YG1VE1<3>J705FP<12>6QZ6R_6R_<3>6Vc6Wd6Xe7Yf\ <9>6MV6KU6JT<3>5EO4DN4CL<2>38H36G37H38I<3>168166053<23>8h_8j`8\ la<3>9sgAuiAsh<20>5LJ4KI4IH4GF3FE3DD<3>266155133121000<2>9A7CD\ AFGDIJGLMJ<3>XZU_bXbe_<2>loh<5>ccUbaSa_Q<3>VRFTPCSNAQL7OI4<9>j\ aNlcPneR<3>xnZ<9>aVG_TEYRC<3>OI4<5>YWIZYK`_M<3>ghWikZkm`lpcnre\ <7>QSLNPIKLG<3>775J70<7>RC0SC0000UD0<10>eL2fL2gM2hM2iN2<2>mP3 } Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Hi Paul and all. Well I'll be damned. I seem to have finally fixed my problem, and in a hideously simple manner. I did not install Partition Magic and un-FAT32. I did not backup all of my data and start from scratch. First, Paul, I downloaded the MSVCRT.Zip file from your link. Thank you very much. It turned out to be the one I had installed, but that's good knowledge anyway. I then noticed that the "read only" bit was set on the installed file. I thought: "I can't imagine that would have an affect on the function of the DLL, since it's only there to protect it from overwriting, alteration, or deletion." (Am I wrong about that?) So I turned it off, and, to be safe, restarted. I am now almost done downloading Media Player 9 from the Microsoft site, and the link appears rock-solid. And I can log on to eBay trouble-free. My guess is that the install process set the bit to protect it during the upgrade, and failed to remove it. Conjecture and instruction are invited. Regards, a grateful and much happier Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 09:01 Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98
Mark Christenson wrote:
...unable to log on to Microsoft's site... When Explorer 6.0 crashes I get the following error: EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCRT.DLL at 0167:78015ca2. ........ I have tried to manually extract the upgrade DLL from its 98se Upgrade Disk cabinet but Windows refuses...
I believe the most current version of the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library, within an upgraded Win-98 system, is 6.10.8924.0, and should be 290,869 bytes in size. You most likely will need to load it into the C:\Windows\System\ directory path while booted to DOS, instead of from Windows Explorer.
If you have problems extracting it from the CAB file, then you can retrieve it from this location: http://home.att.net/~Fractals_5/MSVCRT.zip
Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
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Mark Christenson wrote:
Hi Paul and all.
Hey there, Mark!! :-)
I seem to have finally fixed my problem, and in a hideously simple manner. ......... I then noticed that the "read only" bit was set on the installed file. ..... So I turned it off, and, to be safe, restarted. ........ My guess is that the install process set the bit to protect it during the upgrade, and failed to remove it.
Glad to hear you are now functioning again, logging on to sites, downloading upgrades and installs, etc... You may notice that this "Read Only" switch is not set for many files on your system. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Here are the links to the protection stuff I use. All free! RegCleaner 4.3 by Jouni Vuorio (Select 'Tools' and 'Do them all'. Deletes all unconnected entries in the Register) Also very useful to keep your startup list nice and short. http://www.worldstart.com/weekly-download/archives/reg-cleaner4.3.htm Spybot Spyware cleaner http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html Ad-Aware SE Tracking cookies and the like http://www.lavasoft.de/ Finally, ZoneAlarm Firewall. Bit of a pain when you first install as it asks for confirmation for every connection out into the wide world, but it soon gets to know the sites you normally use. http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/home.jsp You'll need to do a bit of a search on each of these pages as the free stuff is tucked away in the hope you'll buy the commercial product, and why not! I update run the update for these, (free), every week and thenand Any problems, post or email me. Chris Curnow ----- Original Message ----- From: RENRAD1@aol.com To: fractint@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 In a message dated 7/13/06 6:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net writes: if you can find it somewhere, this might be a solution for a while. At least until you can finally upgrade. Thanks very much, Paul, I'll go 'mining for legacies' and see if the version is around. Cheers! peter S. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006
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