Re: clean boot and bat files
Do a "sys a:" command from the Win98SE command prompt (DOS window ok for this) this will create a clean DOS-7 boot floppy with the system files. Then add config.sys and autoexec.bat like these: CONFIG.SYS file: (1 line) break=on AUTOEXEC.BAT file: (4 lines) @echo off path A:\;C:\;C:\windows;C:\windows\command;C:\windows\system;c:\fractint prompt $P$G cls NO TSR's, himem.sys, emm386.exe, etc. I have found thru extensive work that fractint likes clean memory space. Keep it clean. Keep it cool. As for nesting bat files within bat files, use the "call" command; don't just put the name of the bat file in another bat file. You just need to keep track of the logic flow in all the files being called or referenced.
Bill: On my Win98 system, the best thing that I can do is to configure the Fractint Dos box switches the following settings: Protected memory is on & memory allocation set to 640Kb, XMS is on & memory set to 4096KB, HMA on, DPMI is on & set to memory 4096, Several E-Group members have suggested to leave EMS set to off. BTW, I have noticed that Video Disk Mode accesses "Extended Memory Services". Is "Extended Memory Services" EMS or XMS? I am doing the same thing for the "command.com" DOS BOX from which I've been running my "Zooming" and "Animation" BAT files. I no longer have any reason to be runner Win2000 on my hottest machine. I need the clock speed for rendereing Fractint files. So I am taking Win2000 off of the machines and re-installing Win98. Luckily I kept FAT32 as the file system so all I have to do is install Win98SE over the top of Win2000. Anyone have any suggestions how I can "downgrade" my system to Win98 without having to reinstall all my proggies? All the best, TG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JackOTradez" <JackOTradez@email.msn.com> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: [Fractint] Re: clean boot and bat files
Do a "sys a:" command from the Win98SE command prompt (DOS window ok for this) this will create a clean DOS-7 boot floppy with the system files. Then add config.sys and autoexec.bat like these:
CONFIG.SYS file: (1 line)
break=on
AUTOEXEC.BAT file: (4 lines)
@echo off path A:\;C:\;C:\windows;C:\windows\command;C:\windows\system;c:\fractint prompt $P$G cls
NO TSR's, himem.sys, emm386.exe, etc. I have found thru extensive work that fractint likes clean memory space. Keep it clean. Keep it cool.
As for nesting bat files within bat files, use the "call" command; don't just put the name of the bat file in another bat file. You just need to keep track of the logic flow in all the files being called or referenced.
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On 3 Nov 02, at 15:19, Tony Parker wrote:
BTW, I have noticed that Video Disk Mode accesses "Extended Memory Services". Is "Extended Memory Services" EMS or XMS?
XMS. EMS stands for Expanded Memory Services. Think of extended memory as extending the usually memory out further, e.g, adding the memory beyond 1024K into the memory range linearly. An app using XMS can see and work with the entire range of XMS available to it. Expanded memory doesn't extend the memory address range, it effectively sets up a vertical memory range of 64KB chunks that are made visible within a 64KB chunk of the real mode address space. An app using EMS has to figure out which 64K chunk of the EMS memory it needs, have that chunk mapped into the real mode memory slot set aside of EMS, then work with its data. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com
I think that I was previously mistaken when I observed that Fractint's "Video Disk Node" uses XMS on my system. I've since observed that Fractint's "Video Disk Mode" uses Expanded Memeory Services which according to you is EMS. How much EMS in my Fractint DOS box should I allow should I allow? Several Fractint "old-timers" have discouraged me from using EMS, on the grounds that XMS is faster but if the "Video Disk Mode" is calling for EMS, shouldn't I be loading EMS? Is there a way to configure Fractint.exe or Sstools.ini how to use memory?. I'd like to hear some opinions, how much I should allow for EMS? XMS, HMA, & DPMI in my FRactint "Dos Box"? All the best, Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> To: <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: clean boot and bat files
On 3 Nov 02, at 15:19, Tony Parker wrote:
BTW, I have noticed that Video Disk Mode accesses "Extended Memory Services". Is "Extended Memory Services" EMS or XMS?
XMS. EMS stands for Expanded Memory Services.
Think of extended memory as extending the usually memory out further, e.g, adding the memory beyond 1024K into the memory range linearly. An app using XMS can see and work with the entire range of XMS available to it.
Expanded memory doesn't extend the memory address range, it effectively sets up a vertical memory range of 64KB chunks that are made visible within a 64KB chunk of the real mode address space. An app using EMS has to figure out which 64K chunk of the EMS memory it needs, have that chunk mapped into the real mode memory slot set aside of EMS, then work with its data.
David gnome@hawaii.rr.com
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Tony Parker wrote:
How much EMS in my Fractint DOS box should I allow should I allow?
Several Fractint "old-timers" have discouraged me from using EMS, on the grounds that XMS is faster but if the "Video Disk Mode" is calling for EMS, shouldn't I be loading EMS?
I'd like to hear some opinions, how much I should allow for EMS? XMS, HMA, & DPMI in my FRactint "Dos Box"?
I have been using the defaults for about seven years now without a single problem, which means a few thousand FractInt images generated. DPMI = DOS Protected Mode ------------------------- Specifies the maximum amount of MS-DOS protected-mode memory to allocate to the program (normally in kilobytes). The value available is usually in increments of 1,024, and can not be set to "NONE". If one sets this to the recommended setting of "AUTO", then Windows will choose a limit based on your current configuration. I have mine set to "AUTO" for all of my DOS boxes. HMA = High Memory Area ---------------------- This check-box specifies whether the program can use the high memory area. This option has no effect if the HMA is already being used by the system (for example, if MS-DOS is loaded or if an MS-DOS device driver is using the HMA). I usually have this set on for all of my DOS boxes. XMS = Extended Memory --------------------- Specifies the maximum amount of extended memory to allocate to the program (normally in kilobytes). The value available is usually in increments of 1,024, or can optionally be set to "NONE". If one sets this to the recommended setting of "AUTO", then no limit will be imposed. But, there may be difficulties running some programs with an unlimited amount of extended memory. In these instances, a value of around 8,192 is suggested. EMS = Expanded Memory --------------------- Have not used this since the days of running Windows 3.11 on a 386. Usually a third-party memory-management software will need to be configured for expanded memory. I also have my Conventional Memory options set to the "AUTO" settings within the DOS box. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html
On 4 Nov 02, at 10:59, Tony Parker wrote:
I think that I was previously mistaken when I observed that Fractint's "Video Disk Node" uses XMS on my system.
I've since observed that Fractint's "Video Disk Mode" uses Expanded Memeory Services which according to you is EMS. How much EMS in my Fractint DOS box should I allow should I allow?
Fractint uses EMS for disk video only if you provide it with EMS. If you set your DOS environment to NO EMS, and provide XMS, you should see Fractint report that it's using XMS memory. As far as how much ... how big an image are you wanting to generate? I've done 2048x2948 images with 4MB of XMS available to Fractint. I have no idea how much memory it was actually using. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com
On 3 Nov 02, at 15:19, Tony Parker wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions how I can "downgrade" my system to Win98 without having to reinstall all my proggies?
Nope. I don't even suggest trying to *upgrade* an existing system. That's a pretty good recipe for an unstable system. There are utilities that claim to be able to move apps, but I don't believe they can be used in this situation. W9x and W2K are very different under the hood, your apps installed under W2K may have used DLLs or configuration settings specific to W2K and not usable with W9x; reinstalling gives the app the chance to get the correct DLLs and registry settings. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com
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