Re: [Fractdev] No bailout in bjax formula?
On Sun, 2004-01-18 at 10:13, Paul N. Lee wrote:
Edwin wrote:
Looking at the fractint.frm which comes with xfractint 3.10, the "bjax" formula is:
Have you tried using the later versions instead of the very old 3.10 ??
Good idea. I downloaded the latest-and-greatest 20.3 just now. BTW freshmeat.net still links to 3.10 as the latest version -might be worth updating that. This version doesn't have any .frm files included - is that deliberate? Copying fractint.frm from the previous version, I get the same results as before. Following Jonathan's suggestion, I get something (if not anything all that interesting) if I set the inside coloring method. Thanks, -- Edwin
Edwin wrote:
I downloaded the latest-and-greatest 20.3 just now. BTW freshmeat.net still links to 3.10 as the latest version -might be worth updating that.
Yes, there are quite a few websites with older versions floating around. Even the FractInt site on Noel Giffin's "Spanky" still lists the 20.0 release as being the lastest (now slightly over 4 years old).
This version doesn't have any .frm files included - is that deliberate?
Not much has changed in the way of supporting formula, parameter, map, and another files. Though I have been the one keeping the ORGFORM up-to-date for the past several years, which may be obtained from this location: http://www.Nahee.com/Software/ORGFORM.ZIP
Following Jonathan's suggestion, I get something (if not anything all that interesting) if I set the inside coloring method.
Yes, some of the formulae do default to a blank screen (as Jonathan mentioned), and will take the added effort of adjusting settings to get something to show up. Sometimes it is much easier to start with an existing PAR file that one knows produces an image, and then proceed from there. (Which is why I have several thousand PARs taking up about 8.5 MB of disk space.) Later, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Paul N. Lee wrote:
Edwin wrote:
I downloaded the latest-and-greatest 20.3 just now. BTW freshmeat.net still links to 3.10 as the latest version -might be worth updating that.
Yes, there are quite a few websites with older versions floating around. Even the FractInt site on Noel Giffin's "Spanky" still lists the 20.0 release as being the lastest (now slightly over 4 years old).
I haven't had a lot of time to update fractal pages at spanky for quite some time now. However I will keep the official release of Fractint up to date. I will update the page whenever it is clear that a new official release of fractint has been made. As far as I know all the recent work, (since release 20.0), has always been deemed a development path, and even now, the 20.3 release is only available in the fractint developers page http://www.fractint.org/ftp/current/dos/ as fradev.zip which is the traditional designation for a developers release. I will update my site when I have been informed by the developers of an official release, which I am assuming would be named frain203.zip Cheers, Noel
Noel wrote:
I haven't had a lot of time to update fractal pages at spanky for quite some time now. However I will keep the official release of Fractint up to date. I will update the page whenever it is clear that a new official release of fractint has been made. As far as I know all the recent work, (since release 20.0), has always been deemed a development path, and even now, the 20.3 release is only available in the fractint developers page http://www.fractint.org/ftp/current/dos/
Very true. The pace of development is so slow (because it's mostly Jonathan) that Fractint has been pretty stable for a long time. We probably should release. The amount of change since the last release has been considerable. In order to do that, we need a thorough-going review of the online docs, and maybe some new docs on coping with running Fractint under newer environments. I am sure Jonathan would want a chance to wring out all bugs introduced by recent changes. This could take a while. Spanky is a wonderful resource, Noel, and your rationale of updating only with a major release makes sense. Maybe someone could help html- izing the documentation. That's the main job. Of course, that can't be done until the docs are actually updated. I could take the lead on that. Tim
Tim Wegner wrote:
The pace of development is so slow (because it's mostly Jonathan) that Fractint has been pretty stable for a long time.
We probably should release.
I have been thinking about this. Why not make the 20.2.05 version as the "official" latest release?? Especially since it has been running the longest between updates, when the 20.0.00 was made available. And 20.2.05 has been "stable for a long time" as you so correctly pointed out above. We all know that software is prone to bugs and errors. So waiting until the perfect release level is made available to the public, before declaring it as "official", may never happen this millenium.
The amount of change since the last release has been considerable.
With the interger math removed, and all of the other extensive changes, it may be awhile before the 20.3.00 version (or subsequent mod levels) becomes stable enough to make it the "official" latest release. And does this mean the name of the program should be changed as well to something like "FractFlo" ?? ;-}
Spanky is a wonderful resource, Noel, and your rationale of updating only with a major release makes sense.
Yes, Noel does run a very useful and frequently accessed site. But my initial comment about the stated 20.0.00 version not being completely accurate, was not an attack. It was only a truthful observation about the current state of releases. I use the site for links all the time with the hosting of Jim Muth's FOTD postings. And advertise it when people ask about available software, though I usually list it as such: Fractint http://www.fractint.org/ (latest Developer's version) http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/ (older official release ver.) http://www.Nahee.com/Software/Wins1821.Zip (older Windows ver.) http://www.deleeuw.com.au/ "ManPWin" (loosely based Windows ver.)
Maybe someone could help html-izing the documentation.
At one time, I had created an MS-Word document of the leatest release (at that time) which corrected most of the grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. And contained as much up-to-date documentation as I could find for that release. There was a Master copy and an RTF version: http://www.Nahee.com/Software/Master_Word_Doc.zip http://www.Nahee.com/Software/RTF_Doc.zip Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
Paul N. Lee wrote:
I have been thinking about this. Why not make the 20.2.05 version as the "official" latest release?? Especially since it has been running the longest between updates, when the 20.0.00 was made available. And 20.2.05 has been "stable for a long time" as you so correctly pointed out above.
IMHO probably the best solution...
With the interger math removed, and all of the other extensive changes, it may be awhile before the 20.3.00 version (or subsequent mod levels) becomes stable enough to make it the "official" latest release.
...and good reasons why.
And does this mean the name of the program should be changed as well to something like "FractFlo" ?? ;-}
In fact I've renamed the version 20.3 executable to just this name, so it can reside in my main Fractint directory together with 20.2.05. BTW, some time ago I came about a web site (don't remember the URL) where the page author had written the program's name with a second uppercase letter (just as you did with "FractFlo"); not "FractInt" - but "FracTint". I guess that way the name is still ok even with float only math :-) Regards, Gerald
On Tuesday 20 January 2004 5:43 pm, Gerald K. Dobiasovsky wrote:
Paul N. Lee wrote:
I have been thinking about this. Why not make the 20.2.05 version as the "official" latest release?? Especially since it has been running the longest between updates, when the 20.0.00 was made available. And 20.2.05 has been "stable for a long time" as you so correctly pointed out above.
IMHO probably the best solution...
In the interest of getting a stable version in the shortest time, putting the 20.3 patch into the integer source is the best solution. There are some fixes in the last patch that I would want in an official release. Preparing an official release will involve reviewing/revising the documentation files and lots of testing. New demo files, par files, and formula files will need to be created. And, there are still some interface problems with the new virtual screens I'd like to work out. Jonathan
Paul asked:
I have been thinking about this. Why not make the 20.2.05 version as the "official" latest release?? Especially since it has been running the longest between updates, when the 20.0.00 was made available. And 20.2.05 has been "stable for a long time" as you so correctly pointed out above.
We all know that software is prone to bugs and errors. So waiting until the perfect release level is made available to the public, before declaring it as "official", may never happen this millenium.
Just declaring the current developer version a "release" accomplishes little. I agree that the program itself is stable and worthy of release (with perhaps just a little bug fixing). But the documentation has gotten way out of date and is not release quality. Tim
Noel Giffin wrote:
Paul N. Lee wrote:
Yes, there are quite a few websites with older versions floating around. Even the FractInt site on Noel Giffin's "Spanky" still lists the 20.0 release as being the latest (now slightly over 4 years old).
I will update the page whenever it is clear that a new official release of fractint has been made. ...... I will update my site when I have been informed by the developers of an official release....
As I stated very clearly, your site lists 20.0 as being the "latest release", as seen by these two locations: http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html and http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/whats_new.html But 20.0 is not the "latest release", it is only the last one that was named with the 'FRAIN' wording. I would think that your wording of: Check out "What's New" in the latest release. Should probably be phrased more like: Check out "What's New" in the last release with a FRAIN name. or Check out "What's New" in the last release termed 'Official'. Sincerely, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Paul N. Lee wrote:
Following Jonathan's suggestion, I get something (if not anything all that interesting) if I set the inside coloring method.
Yes, some of the formulae do default to a blank screen (as Jonathan mentioned), and will take the added effort of adjusting settings to get something to show up.
As a rule, my formulas make blank screens with intejer math. I'm not sure if that's because I'm using a patchlevel without intejer support, but jenerally I don't care, because the intejer support is _usually_ about 4-5x slower on this machine. It has it's own quirks, though, like in at least one of the richard-collard equations, an island is in the middle that only appears with intejers. Things like that make me _seriously_ doubt that arbitrary precision math should be restricted to any kind of automatic trigger like very small or large coordinates.
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