"good job warren" ? What'd he do? There was nothing in my fractint list server email, I think the file was "scrubbed". Sounds like he did an exponent animation. I got that beat - check out http://www.sonic.net/~jot/n2p.zip And, as he asked - how do this without rendering the frames individually manually? Use my animation program! Stay Cool. It's gonna get hot soon. Really hot. JoTz .