I think that the argument of suggested color vs. actual color vs. "It's red because you were told it's red" can best be summarized (at least to me) in this example. Now I have not actually done this experiment, but I have had experience with the test subjects. If you were to draw a picture, or preferably a circle, using only a (I hate to say it) RED crayon, and then gave the picture to a child and told him to reproduce it with no other instructions or suggestions, I'd be willing to bet that he would choose the same crayon to draw it as you used to create it. (Unless of course you have one of those 5000 pc. crayon sets.) Now the child's brain may not actually 'see' the color the same as yours does, but if he/she chose the crayon that said "RED" on it to draw the picture then we could argue that he 'sees' the color the same as me. Sometimes we can apply the old "A rose by any other name..." theory and be correct. I concede that there are exceptions for color blindness, Indian colors, and the wearing of filter goggles while looking at stop signs, however I feel that the large, large majority of us see color in the same fashion as everyone else. I have seen people look at aqua and say that it's blue, and others look at aqua and say that it's green. To me that is a matter of slight perception and shading. But I have yet to see someone look at a blue car and call it yellow, or ask me why all of the fire hydrants are painted purple. I think the original topic started off with a discussion of seeing color through waveform, and I still believe that this is true with very few exceptions. Regards, Mark.