Tony - wondered what happened to you! Glad U back. Have you had any luck making fractal animations?? I sympathize with your employment woes; my profession has been hit just as hard. I'm glad I didn't switch careers to IT like I was thinking back in '99. As it is, I was unemployed for 10 months in 2003. It happens to other people too ... But there is a thundercloud in every silver lining <g>. I had the time to do much fractalizing and in fact accomplished some of my best work in that period. And as it will always happen, with effort, persistance and a bit of luck, you get back on your feet again and are actually better for the experience. I have left the miserable NorthEast and am now in God's beautiful Colorado! As for ultrafractal - Heaven forbid! We all know that REAL fractalnauts only use Fractint! Long live the Cult of Fractint! JoTz