I see that some of the links in my last post were chopped in two. Sorry about that. Here they are again, shortened and inserted into a copy of my last post. Fyi, you can actually still use links that have been chopped into two or three pieces: Copy each piece separately from the email, one by one, and carefully paste each one into your web browser's text address bar to re-assemble the full URL. Be careful to not overwrite the previous piece(s) you've pasted there. When the address is complete AND the browser's focus is still in the address bar, I hit <Enter> to go to the URL. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -----Corrected Links inserted into the: Original Message----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Fractint <fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Harold Lane Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:13 PM To: 'Fractint and General Fractals Discussion' <fractint@mailman.xmission.com>; 'david' <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Archiving Web Sites David said:
Many people keep their files and such there: https://archive.org/ I recall seeing pages somewhere on archive.org describing how you can upload items be saved there. You need to create an account with them to do that.
Also, the file: robots.txt located on a web site can influence archive.org and search engines' behavior regarding scanning/saving a site. More on this is below. Be aware that there is a size limit on files that archive.org is able to host. For example, essentially all the actual *images* of fractals that were on Paul N. Lee's site's web pages are not on archive.org. All his web pages and links on his pages (and smaller PAR and FRM files and collections) appear to be there. However, archive.org may possibly host larger single (non-image?) files... For example, I see that Paul N. Lee's 1.6 MB file: ORGFORM.ZIP (2010) is on this page at Archive.org: http://tinyurl.com/nahee-com-PNL-OrgForm points to: https://web.archive.org/web/20170809064351/http://www.nahee.com/PNL/OrgForm. html Archive.org uses specific terms to identify how they host material: e.g.: "collections", "public Community collections" and "item pages". This is their Help page on the subject of saving "items": http://tinyurl.com/archveOrgHw2upldFiles4NuItemPg points to: https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360017788831-How-to-upload-files- to-create-a-new-item-page- On that page they say: "If you have several files and need to create many items, please contact us at info@archive.org for additional information about how to do bulk or batch uploading using our command-line tool..." "Collections" and their uploading are described here: http://tinyurl.com/archveOrgHw2RequestAcollection points to: https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360017502272-How-to-request-a-col lection- I don't immediately see where they use the phrases "web site" or "web pages"... Note that a file in the root directory of a site (like Paul's original site) named: robots.txt can -- perhaps inadvertently -- contain a line that tells search engines (and archive.org) to *not* scan the site. A quick search on: robots.txt examples gives the needed info. I believe that no robots.txt file, or an empty robots.txt file both give the default behavior -- which is to allow the site to be scanned. - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint <fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of david Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 4:11 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Archiving Web Sites Hmm, archive.org itself? Its Wayback Machine feature is just an automated scan/limited download of websites. But that's not the only way a site gets into archive.org. Many people keep their files and such there. https://archive.org/ On 3/9/19 10:14 AM, mchris@value.net - Webmail wrote:
Not that it is of that magnitude, but my site "Bud's Fractal Pages" disappeared back in the early 00s when my ISP dropped hosting services. I resurrected it on HelioHost and tried to get relisted on the IFL, but was told it was obsolete. I never listed it with search engines, which was no great loss as it disappeared again a few years ago when a long-term problem with logging in caused me to miss the deadline for account verification and I lost it again. Can anyone recommend a good free hosting service, as I am hesitant to start over with HelioHost again?
Thanks, Bud
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kaufman" <rogerkaufman@interocitors.com> To: "Fractint and General Fractals Discussion" <Fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 5:44:09 AM Subject: [Fractint] Archiving Web Sites
Hi All,
We are dropping the ball in saving old fractal resources.
I already mentioned
https://web.archive.org/web/20170814000151/http://www.nahee.com/Fractals/
Then when I went to look at Jim's FOTD archive it has dropped off the face of the earth
https://user.xmission.com/~legalize/fractals/fotd/index.html
I used to collect Jim's par files as did Les St. Claire over a decade ago
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