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Invitation to Manpwin
by marcusadriana＠mls.com.br 19 Aug '18

19 Aug '18

Paul and I invite you to visit the most recent issue of Manpwin dated 08/14/2018 (normally there a new issue every semester). History: Manpwin was originally a fractal site, based on Fractint`s aims and ideas: a free fractal site but then under a Windows `64 bits (Paul de Leeuw appears in Fractint`s list of contributors). During the last 5 years it was gradually increased by a ?dynamic? area incorporating Oscillators with its Attractors and Maps, and even more recently we implemented Surfaces and Knots. ?Dynamic? here has a threefold use: it?s a work-in-progress, has algorithms to move and change all these 1, 2, 3,..10D mathematical entities, and the entities in itself are mathematical models of: physical, chemical, biological, astronomical, psychological, geological, and many other temporally dependent phenomena. What was unusual from the oscillators` papers on these dynamic structures, was that we doubled the number of variables for each attractor, maps and some knots. The trick was the use of the present and past value of the variables. This changed enormously the number of attractors already seen and the connection to real world phenomena got much more complex, IF there is. Another tour-de-force that only mathematics allows, we considered that every 3 used, calculated variables, were under a different coordinates system, 14 in all. That multiplied also the number of attractors to more than 2 million. Anyway, here you can get it in the 32 and 64 bits: http://www.deleeuw.com.au/download/SetupManpWIN.exe http://www.deleeuw.com.au/download/SetupManpWIN64bit.exe Happy experiment. Paul & Marcus

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Re: [Fractint] Video mode limitations
by Harold Lane 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

I sometime provide too much information... But buried below there might be something useful... -Hal ----- Tony Hanmer said: ---------- I've now tried the Compatibility Troubleshooter, as well as all the manual compatibility modes, and also updated the graphics driver ...all with no difference in what's available for display modes. That's unfortunate. I recall that some video card manufacturers intentionally omitted support for certain graphics modes in their cards and/or drivers back when primarily DOS Fractint was being used. The fix was to buy a graphics card that supported the video modes I wanted. I now recall that I had this problem on a WinXP computer and bought a new graphics card that was known to support the resolutions I wanted. This worked for me. I see on this page: https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD4000-support or https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/81499/graphics-dri… that your graphics processor is likely to be from the era when the omission of support for certain resolutions was going on. On this 02-Apr-2018 Intel page "Supported 2D/3D Graphics Features": https://tinyurl.com/SupportedIntelGraphicsFeatures or https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000007136/graphics… they have so many Whiz-Bang features to list that they don't bother to list the display resolutions the driver supports! If you followed *all* the links on this page: https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000-All or https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/products/81499/graphics-dri… you might uncover something useful... I see that there's an "Intel Driver & Support Assistant (Intel DSA)": https://tinyurl.com/Driver-and-Support-Assistant or https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html?iid=dc_IDSA That could potentially be quite valuable... This page shows that there are different river files for 32 & 64 Win-10, and has *additional* info: https://tinyurl.com/IntelGraphicsDriverforWindows or https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27417/Intel-Graphics-Driver-for-W… https://tinyurl.com/Intel-HD4000-support I saw on the page above that they actually released a driver for that card/graphics processor on 03-Jan-2018. Is that the one you now have? <--<< - Hal Lane ######################## # mailto:hallane@earthlink.net ######################## From: Tony Hanmer <a.hanmer(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:35 AM To: Hal Lane <hallane(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Fractint] Video mode limitations Hi Hal, Many thanks for the speedy response! I've now tried the Compatibility Troubleshooter, as well as all the manual compatibility modes, and also updated the graphics driver (an Intel HD 4000), and restarted the computer as well; all with no difference in what's available for display modes. But thanks again for trying, and I'll make do with 800 x 600 - better than nothing. Best, Tony On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 11:13, Harold Lane <mailto:hallane@earthlink.net> wrote: Tony, I don't see anything obviously wrong with your Fractint.cfg file. I use: - DOS Fractint in WinXP under VirtualBox, - Jonathan's FractSD, and - Richard's Fractint for Windows beta 5 but, I'm not familiar with FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8 Wait a minute! Richard's Fractint for Windows beta 5 is internally labeled: "Fractint version 20.99.8", so I *am* familiar with this version. For completeness, this is where I got Richard's program: https://tinyurl.com/Richards-Fractint-for-WinBeta5 or: https://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/fractint-for-windows-bet… I ran it just now and successfully used all these 256-color onscreen resolutions: 800x600 1024x768 1200x900 1280x960 Did you successfully run FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8 at higher resolutions than 800 x 600 under any earlier versions of Windows on your *Win 10* *computer* with the *same* graphics card? Did you successfully run FractInt for Windows version 20.99.8 at higher resolutions than 800 x 600 under any earlier versions of Windows on a *different* computer? It kind of smells like there's somethung going on with how FracInt for Windows version 20.99.8 interfaces with whatever video drivers you are using with your graphics card in Win 10. A standard thing to try is to check whether your graphics card manufacturer has any updated video drivers for your card... In the event of problems when trying another driver, it's supposed to be easy to roll back drivers, although I have not had occasion to do this myself. Another thing that I've not done myself, but might be useful, is to try the Windows 10 Compatibility Troubleshooter. I think it can provide some backwards-compatible environments for older programs. Invoke the Windows 10 Compatibility Troubleshooter by right clicking Fractint.exe and choosing: Troubleshoot compatibility. This video shows that being done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjeu6hVi0tw It also show using a manual method with more visibility of the settings you are getting: right click the Fractint.exe and choose: Properties > Compatibility tab and make adjustments. I'd be interested to hear of the results of your: - possible video driver update, and < - - << (Check this first.) - compatibility Troubleshooting I'm leaning towards it being a video *card* or video *driver* compatibility problem... - Hal Lane ######################## # mailto:hallane@earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint <mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Tony Hanmer Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:04 AM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <mailto:fractint@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Fractint] Video mode limitations Greetings, I'm using FracInt for Windows version 20.99.8 in Windows 10. Here I seem to be limited to a max display size (though not a render size) of 800 x 600 pixels. My Fractint.cfg file is currently as follows: ; FRACTINT.CFG File ; Don't use TABs when editing this file. ; The driver field is required or the mode will be skipped. ; If the driver rejects the mode, it won't be added to the mode list. ;key name of adapter/mode | AX | BX | CX | DX |mode| x | y |clr| comments | driver ;=========================================================================== ============== F2 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 320, 240,256,,gdi F3 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 400, 300,256,,gdi F4 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 600, 450,256,,gdi F5 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,gdi F6 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,gdi F7 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,gdi F8 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1200, 900,256,,gdi F9 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 960,256,,gdi SF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 8192,256,,disk SF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,16304,256,,disk SF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,30000,256,,disk SF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 400,256,,disk SF6 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,disk SF7 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,disk SF8 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,disk SF9 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 1024,256,,disk CF1 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8000, 8000,256,,disk CF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,22500,256,,disk CF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,12228,256,,disk CF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,32608,24456,256,,disk CF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 6144,256,,disk But nothing past that 800 x 600 shows up in available video modes in FractInt. Any help, please? Many thanks, Tony Hanmer _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list mailto:Fractint@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Video mode limitations
by Tony Hanmer 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

Greetings, I'm using FracInt for Windows version 20.99.8 in Windows 10. Here I seem to be limited to a max display size (though not a render size) of 800 x 600 pixels. My Fractint.cfg file is currently as follows: ; FRACTINT.CFG File ; Don't use TABs when editing this file. ; The driver field is required or the mode will be skipped. ; If the driver rejects the mode, it won't be added to the mode list. ;key name of adapter/mode | AX | BX | CX | DX |mode| x | y |clr| comments | driver ;========================================================================================= F2 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 320, 240,256,,gdi F3 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 400, 300,256,,gdi F4 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 600, 450,256,,gdi F5 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,gdi F6 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,gdi F7 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,gdi F8 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1200, 900,256,,gdi F9 ,Win32 GDI Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 960,256,,gdi SF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 8192,256,,disk SF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,16304,256,,disk SF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,30000,256,,disk SF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 400,256,,disk SF6 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 640, 480,256,,disk SF7 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 800, 600,256,,disk SF8 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1024, 768,256,,disk SF9 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 1280, 1024,256,,disk CF1 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8000, 8000,256,,disk CF2 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,30000,22500,256,,disk CF3 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,16304,12228,256,,disk CF4 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19,32608,24456,256,,disk CF5 ,Win32 Disk Video , 0, 0, 0, 0, 19, 8192, 6144,256,,disk But nothing past that 800 x 600 shows up in available video modes in FractInt. Any help, please? Many thanks, Tony Hanmer

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Re: [Fractint] Status of SDL XFractint?
by Jonathan Osuch 20 May '18

20 May '18

David, > Sounds like a busy weekend! ;) Getting the mandelbrot assembly code working under windows was less painful that I was anticipating. The already existing 32-bit code worked with a few tweaks related to changing variable sizes and the fix for popping information off the stack. There is still a problem (with both 32-bit and 64-bit versions) relating to how the code that displays orbits is handling keystrokes. No crash, it just takes forever for the text screen to show up. Jonathan

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Re: [Fractint] Status of SDL XFractint?
by Jonathan Osuch 16 May '18

16 May '18

Folks, > I believe it is the assembly to C interface, that I haven't yet > mastered. The crash always happens in (or after) one of the > functions > that gets keystrokes. The return address isn't correct? Hmmm. Close. There was a return that wasn't popping data off the stack. I have the mandelbrot assembly code working now under 64-bit Linux. I might try to get it to work under Windows this weekend. Jonathan

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Re: [Fractint] Status of SDL XFractint?
by Jonathan Osuch 13 May '18

13 May '18

David, > Something not being initialized properly before it starts processing > the > formula? I believe it is the assembly to C interface, that I haven't yet mastered. The crash always happens in (or after) one of the functions that gets keystrokes. The return address isn't correct? Hmmm. Jonathan

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Re: [Fractint] Status of SDL XFractint?
by Jonathan Osuch 11 May '18

11 May '18

David, > Just wondering. Haven't seen anything since 12/26/2017. Still alive > and > progressing? Yes, but slowly. Still working with the Linux version (64-bit). I have the fast mandelbrot code working, but if you have it as the default fractal when you start Fractint, it crashes. It will also crash with key strokes (but not consistently). I have also been working on the fast formula parser, but it currently crashes before an image gets generated. There are several problems that I don't yet have a handle on. The syntax between MASM (old) and NASM (new) is different enough (and similar enough to be confusing) that it isn't always obvious how to change the code. NASM doesn't always seem to function as I would expect. The interface between the 64-bit C code and the 64-bit assembly is not defined as well as it could be in the NASM documentation. Once I get all that straightened out, the Windows code (32-bit) will be a whole new learning experience. Some due to idiosyncrasies mandated by MS. Others due to different variable sizes and pointer sizes. Jonathan

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Status of SDL XFractint?
by david 09 May '18

09 May '18

Just wondering. Haven't seen anything since 12/26/2017. Still alive and progressing? Thanks. -- David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

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"Peace and Love" - audio fractal w/par
by Bill Jemison 03 May '18

03 May '18

The last audio fractal I uploaded, "Chaos City" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/chaos-city> , was a really chaotic tour of a chaotic town. No filters between raw chaos and your ears. All sorts of semi tones and other strange notes blended together creating what I think is a fairly good aural representation of a fractal calculation. Not necessarily pleasing, in a musical sense, but then, not all visual representations of a fractal calculation are considered pleasing, in an artistic sense. Many, regardless of musical or artistic merit, are interesting nonetheless. I think that appreciation of both is often an acquired taste. Today's audio fractal, "Peace and Love" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/peace-and-love-2018> , is a step in a quieter, more restrained direction. Fractint has several parameters with which the audio output can be modulated. I like to think of them as the audio equivalent of color controls like map files, etc. For "Peace and Love" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/peace-and-love-2018> I chose to use a mapping of the tones which allowed only "C"(1), "E"(5) and "G"(8) notes of the C Major scale to be played. I included two "pause"s in order to add a bit of rhythmic variation and let chaos do its work within the boundarys established. For the mp3 version of "Peace and Love" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/peace-and-love-2018> I used the sounds produced by parameter "x" for one channel and those produced by parameter "y" for the other channel. In addition, I changed the sound parameters for attack decay and sustain to produce a more crisp tone from the "y" channel. If you run the included par file (at 1024x768x256 res please), especially if you can enable some effects, like Concert Hall, etc., you will get an absolutely relaxing monaural version, which, in some ways I still prefer to the uploaded .mp3 file. I know "Peace and Love" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/peace-and-love-2018> is a pretty corny title, but I do find that meditating on both while relaxing to the soothing sounds is hypnotically effective. Bill Jemison Audio Fractals <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home> *******************start par************ L&P_x {;Bill Jemison 2018 ; Please use 1024x768x256 mode ;if possible use reverb or audio effects (auditorium, etc) reset=2004 type=tetrate passes=1 center-mag=0.0460905/1.07143/2.380952 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=25 inside=0 viewwindows=4.2/0.75/yes/0/0 hertz=-396 polyphony=9 attack=9 decay=8 sustain=8 scalemap=1/8/5/8/pause/1/5/1/8/1/pause/5 sound=x/fm/quant orbitdelay=3000 showorbit=yes colors=(a)default.map } **********************end par************

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"Chaos City" - audio fractal w/par
by Bill Jemison 24 Apr '18

24 Apr '18

Well, there's not much competition for bandwidth right now, so I guess now is as good a time as any to upload an audio fractal. I'm sorry that Albrecht split again since I thought it might be interesting to throw around differing ideas and viewpoints. Perhaps someone(s) else? Anyway, this file is derived from the included .par file. If you run the par file, note that it forces SF7 video mode. If that is not 1024x768x256 on your setup, please restart the par using a 1024x768x256 mode. Also, if you have the capability, use a sound effect such as Concert Hall or Auditorium or similar. Then be sure to listen to "Chaos City" <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/mp3-files/chaos-city> ;}. I used the "x" sound= parameter to produce one side of the stereo file and the "y" parameter for the other stereo channel. (I can't remember which). The par file is for the "x" side. I find that it is best not to try to squirrel audio fractals into your definition of "music". They are meant to be explorations of fractals aurally. Each tone represents a single result in the series of calculations used in determining the color of a single pixel of the visual fractal. Just relax, and let the audio take you where it will. Sometimes "music" happens. I think that there are striking similarities to Jazz in many audio fractals. (While I may call them "Jazz", I'm not sure they are "Music";} ) Enjoy! (or not) Bill Jemison Audio Fractals <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home> ****************start par file**************** Chaos_City { ; copyright (c) Bill Jemison 1999 ; Fractal Tone-Poem ; ; add Concert Hall reverb if possible ; must use 1024x768x256 video mode reset=2000 type=mandel passes=d video=SF7 center-mag=-0.21515300000000000/+0.64304200000000000/1354.084/0.1539/-7.\ 496/-51.993 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=1000 fillcolor=0 inside=0 outside=0 viewwindows=19/0.75/yes/0/0 cyclerange=1/1 hertz=0 sound=x/fm polyphony=2 wavetype=7 attack=3 decay=5 sustain=15 srelease=8 orbitdelay=1500 showorbit=yes colors=00000e0e00eee00e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOO\ O<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zV\ V<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0\ S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKK\ S<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3\ >G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G\ 8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2>BGFBG\ GBFGBDGBCG000<6>000 } ************end par file**************

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