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Dosbox SVN Daum and DosBox 0.74
by Albrecht Niekamp 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

This is the list of compatible Win Systems as per Chip downloads * Windows 8 * Windows 7 * Windows Vista * Win XP * Win 2000 * Win Me * Win 98 Once again asking for assistance to use it on Win10_64bit. Dont really exspect that there is any because also on the DosBox homepage Win10 is not listed anymore as compatible OS. This is part of the Microsoft policy to cut user rights, call that update or even worse "upgrade" in favor of spy and adware. In the dosbox forum it was stated that even VirtualXP has been killed and can no longer be installed on win10. So after the next patchday be aware. Part of this policy is that updates cannot be shut off anymore, even if the service is deactivated. Had to learn that the hard way, when uploading to OneDrive was interrupted by automatic updating with forced newstart. Sorry if you object, felt that this was necessary because it hits Fractint badly. Albrecht _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint

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Re: [Fractint] Dosbox SVN Daum and DosBox 0.74
by Jonathan Osuch 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Albrecht > > Once again asking for assistance to use it > on Win10_64bit. See: www.dosbox.com/wiki/SVN_Builds DosBox 0.74 works for me under Win10 64-bit. Can change to 1024x768 graphics mode. Using your 58484-w7a PAR as a test case I get a bunch of sqrtl domain error messages, but then the fractal generates. DosBox SVN-lfn using the one compiled with MinGW starts (the one compiled with Visual C did not), did not let me change the Fractint graphics mode to anything above 320x200. The latest version of DosBox SVN Daum lets me change Fractint to 1024x768, but the text screens are messed up. Running 58484-w7a gives the error "FPU stack overflow". See the description in the wiki above, it is listed under Obsolete SVN/CVS builds. Perhaps an earlier version will work. I think that is how that all went. I didn't take good notes. My sticky (and memory) ran out of room. At any rate, the only one that I got to work with 58484-w7a was DosBox 0.74. The Linux version of Fractint (both the old version and the SDL 64-bit version) run 58484-w7a with no problems. The Windows version of SDL Fractint has problems because the compiler has problems with how long double variables are handled. I have tried 4 or 5 different compilers with no success (hence the last executable was non-functional). I want to use similar compilers (gcc) in Linux and Windows to minimize the use of compile time workarounds (#ifdef statements), which make debugging more difficult. Jonathan

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DosBox SVN Daum
by Albrecht Niekamp 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Once again asking for assistance to use it on Win10_64bit. Dont really exspect that there is any because on the DosBox homepage Win10 is not listed anymore as compatible OS. This is part of the Microsoft policy to cut user rights, call that update or even worse "upgrade" in favor of spy and adware. In the dosbox forum it was stated that even VirtualXP has been killed and can no longer be installed on win10. So after the next patchday be aware. Part of this policy is that updates cannot be shut off anymore, even if the service is deactivated. Had to learn that the hard way, when uploading to OneDrive was interrupted by automatic updating with forced newstart. Sorry if you object, felt that this was necessary because it hits Fractint badly. Albrecht

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DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file info
by Harold Lane 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Bill, Albrecht is talking about DOSBox SVN-Daum. Are you running DOSBox SVN-Daum or the original DOSBox, Bill? I think I remember reading on the internet that their configuration files are different in places and potentially incompatible. Tim Wegner is running DOSBox SVN-Daum under Windows 10. See below. Albrecht, Please see Tim's [Fractint] 1/25/2018 [Fractint] post about the configuration file for DOSBox Daum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just found a voluminous DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bottom of the last post on this page by "waltc": https://www.gog.com/forum/stonekeep/full_screen_mode includes a link to a DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file that has a .jpg extension with the instructions "Here's my conf file...(just remove the .jpg to view)" -- which did not work for me. I discovered that some browsers (e.g.: Firefox) refuse to display this text file, so once I successfully viewed it with MS IE, I put it on my server with a .txt extension if you want to look at it. It appears to contain a tremendous number of options to get many specific DOS games (and the hardware they require) running. Fractint's needs are comparatively simple -- hi res graphics -- and possibly a sound card, so we won't need *everything* that "waltc" has in their .conf file. Here's that DOSBox SVN-Daum .conf file: http://tinyurl.com/DOSBox-SVN-Daum-conf-file or: http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/DOSBox_SVN-Daum/_List_of_commands_in_a_DOSB… "waltc" further says: ---------------------------- I'd strongly advise you to use this version of Dosbox: http://ykhwong.xo.st/ It is Dosbox-svn-daum and it is much better than the anemic version of dosbox Gog [Great Old Games -Hal] ships, imo. This version of Dosbox svn-daum (published Jan 27 2014) includes a 64-bit version of dosbox & allows you to use any of a wide variety of pixel shaders...Highly recommended... I run the game [StoneKeep, I think] @ 1920x1200 with a D3d pixel shader that cleans up the graphics significantly...but there's only so much that's possible with this old game, as you note...;)...I found that the 64-bit version of dosbox pretty much doubles the animation and game frame rates and of course allows the game to use more ram and resources than the 32-bit version of dosbox.exe. ---------------------------- I'm guessing that Fractint doesn't use pixel shaders, so this particular concern may not apply to Fractint -- just to live action games. Another user, "iancurtis", on that page listed their graphics settings. Here they are: ------------------------------ My graphic settings: (dont know which shader to use there for best quality) fullscreen=false fulldouble=false fullresolution=desktop windowresolution=1920x1200 output=direct3d autolock=true sensitivity=100 waitonerror=true priority=higher,normal mapperfile=mapper-SVN-Daum.map pixelshader= usescancodes=false overscan=0 ------------------------------ I believe that some of these commands are likely to be the same as in "vanilla" (non-SVN-Daum) DOSBox, so the DOSBox Wiki may will give useful info about these commands for use in DOSBox SVN-Daum: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/ Their discussion of the vanilla DOSBox .conf file is here: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf I also found a page that discusses: "Is there a way to make a Windows shortcut that will run a dos program through DosBox automatically, without the need to open DosBox mount a drive etc. manually?" http://tinyurl.com/Windows-shortcut-2run-Fractint or: https://superuser.com/questions/195755/windows-shortcut-that-runs-through-d… Doing this allows just a double click on the shortcut icon to set up and run Fractint in DOSBox SVN-Daum. Tim Wegner posted: -------------------------------------------------- I have SVN Daum working fine under Windows 10. The *.conf file has a different name for the Daum version than for the regular DOSBox. Mine is: C:\Users\twegner\AppData\Local\DOSBox\SVN-Daum.conf The fractint-specific part of the conf file is at the bottom: [autoexec] # Lines in this section will be run at startup. # You can put your MOUNT lines here. mount c c:\fractint c: fractint My fractint setup is in c:\fractint under windows 10. So under DOS_Box the fractint directory is c:\, and my autoexec.bat runs fractint (that's really optional). You will need to do something more to give DOSBox access to your fractal files directory. ----------------------------------------------------- Please note Tim's: "You will need to do something more to give DOSBox access to your fractal files directory." Here's a wild guess: Possibly another Mount command pointing to your fractal files directory?... Tim, Do you know if my guess is right? <---<< <---<< I'm getting interested in trying to get Fractint running in DOSBox SVN-Daum... I got a Windows copy of DOSBox SVN-Daum (Jan. 25. 2015 ver.) from: http://ykhwong.xo.st/ > Download > DOSBox SVN builds - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ######################## -----Original Message----- From: Fractint [mailto:fractint-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Jemison Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:23 PM To: Fractint and General Fractals Discussion <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Fractint] SDL Version Albrecht - I will email you myconfig file for DOSBox, which works on my W10 64bit system. Bill Jemison Audio Fractals <https://sites.google.com/site/audiofractals/home> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Albrecht Niekamp <Multifrac(a)t-online.de> wrote: > My system is Win10_64bit. > Due to fundamental problems I have > given up using the SDL Version, these > are not caused by the MFR Software. > Now trying to use DosBox SVN Daum, > installed inspite a warning on the net. > Problem: Fractint completely fails : > on all searches "nofiles" error, - images, > frms, pars and so on also Not caused by > "autoexecute" ! > All known versions of sstools tested, > inside or outside the Fractint folder, > manual reso calling does not help. > Maybe it´s a problem of user rights > or lack of 16bit support after latest "upgrade". > Any help welcome, > Albrecht > > _______________________________________________ > Fractint mailing list > Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint > _______________________________________________ Fractint mailing list Fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fractint --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Re: DOSBox SVN-Daum
by Albrecht Niekamp 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: DOSBox SVN-Daum Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 01:01:30 +0100 From: Albrecht Niekamp <Multifrac(a)t-online.de> To: Bill Jemison <bill.jemison(a)gmail.com> Thanks, Bill but did not work as exspected - must have some other reason, possibly user rights, after all. Re multifrac pars pls experiment with memory settings in config (umb, ems etc)- ems should be set to false if I remember well. On 27.01.2018 23:37, Bill Jemison wrote: > However, I have not been able to reliably run multifrac pars, as I > have said previously. I hope this helps you in some way.

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SDL Version
by Albrecht Niekamp 27 Jan '18

27 Jan '18

My system is Win10_64bit. Due to fundamental problems I have given up using the SDL Version, these are not caused by the MFR Software. Now trying to use DosBox SVN Daum, installed inspite a warning on the net. Problem: Fractint completely fails : on all searches "nofiles" error, - images, frms, pars and so on also Not caused by "autoexecute" ! All known versions of sstools tested, inside or outside the Fractint folder, manual reso calling does not help. Maybe it´s a problem of user rights or lack of 16bit support after latest "upgrade". Any help welcome, Albrecht

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Re: [Fractint] SDL version on Linux uses system audio device?
by Jonathan Osuch 27 Jan '18

27 Jan '18

David, At this point, the SDL sound support is enabled. I haven't been able to make any sounds and I don't know how it interacts with the system. I'll have to look at this code. Clearly, if a person has selected sound=no, then the sound card should not be tied up. But, even with sound=yes or beep, the only time the sound card is needed is at the end of generating a fractal or for error messages. Jonathan > Just wondering. I had the newest SDL version running and went to > start > my pro audio server (JACKD) to check something else. JACKD reported > that > something was already using my sound card. > > The only other program open was Thunderbird. > > After I exited SDL XFractint, I could start JACKD without any > problems. > > Thanks. >

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SDL version on Linux uses system audio device?
by david 27 Jan '18

27 Jan '18

Just wondering. I had the newest SDL version running and went to start my pro audio server (JACKD) to check something else. JACKD reported that something was already using my sound card. The only other program open was Thunderbird. After I exited SDL XFractint, I could start JACKD without any problems. Thanks. -- David W. Jones gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com

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Re: [Fractint] SDL Version - Splsh
by Jonathan Osuch 26 Jan '18

26 Jan '18

Albrecht, I recompiled and re-uploaded the SDL executable. The new one has _fixed at the end. Jonathan > After some testing, using my own frms and images > I´m fully convinced. Sofar almost evrything works > with the exception of many MFR images, more > about that later. > Only this now: S.Gallets ManyMods frm never works, > it is also not included in the frm collection I think. > As a test I updated my splash screen with Lake effect > and Fractmask - perfect! > ; > https://1drv.ms/i/s!AmWYApv7ZBFGgZ0mEgeGYQCRSauaGA > ; > Albrecht

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SDL Version - Splsh
by Albrecht Niekamp 26 Jan '18

26 Jan '18

After some testing, using my own frms and images I´m fully convinced. Sofar almost evrything works with the exception of many MFR images, more about that later. Only this now: S.Gallets ManyMods frm never works, it is also not included in the frm collection I think. As a test I updated my splash screen with Lake effect and Fractmask - perfect! ; https://1drv.ms/i/s!AmWYApv7ZBFGgZ0mEgeGYQCRSauaGA ; Albrecht

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