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Fractint version 20.04 patch 12 released
by Jonathan Osuch 25 Feb '15

25 Feb '15

Folks, Fractint version 20.04 patch 12 was released today. The executables can be found at: www.fractint.net or www.fractint.org Here is what's new: Fixed buffer overflow in disk video mode when savename was too long. Jonathan

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Three Details
by Brian Prentice 01 Aug '13

01 Aug '13

Here are three monochrome details of the fractal discussed here recently: http://bprentice.webenet.net/Fractal%20Images/Set%2018/BP_18_26a.png http://bprentice.webenet.net/Fractal%20Images/Set%2018/BP_18_26b.png http://bprentice.webenet.net/Fractal%20Images/Set%2018/BP_18_26c.png Brian Prentice

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FOTD 30-07-13 (More East Confusion [A-7,M-8])
by Jim Muth 31 Jul '13

31 Jul '13

FOTD -- July 30, 2013 (Rating A-7,M-8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I hope the fears that I am growing bored with fractals have been laid to rest. After sixteen years, I am still obsessed with the things. I doubt that I will ever be able to give them up entirely, but on occasion I do have other things to do that might hold the fractals at bay for a few days. I stumbled upon today's scene as I backed out of yesterday's image. Today's image is an even better example of the strange things that happen when apparently absurd expressions are iterated. The scene lies in the East Valley of its parent. Except around the edges, very little typical East Valley stuff is visible in the scene however. What we see instead is stuff of an entirely new nature, mixed with hills of anti-bifurcation, which I will soon investigate. The name "More East Confusion" indicates that the image is even more confusing than yesterday's. The ratings remain the same however. The calculation time of one minute will pass fast enough. And the web sites are always there to make fractal life even easier. The finished image is posted on the official FOTD web site at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> with hi-def variations at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> The back images from long ago are online at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> And more images are available at: <http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/fractals/fotd/about.html> Another perfect day was appreciated by all here at Fractal Central today. It was a repeat of yesterday, with even more cottonpuff clouds. The fractal cat actually slipped into cool weather mode for an hour or two. The humans, always cool though not quite young, had a better day than yesterday. The next FOTD will be posted when a distance of 24 light-hours has passed on the time axis. Until whenever or wherever that might be, take care, and regardless of whatever is wrong, it's the other guy's fault. Jim Muth jimmuth(a)earthlink.net START PARAMETER FILE======================================= More_EastConfusion { ; time=0:01:00.00 SF5 at 2000MHZ reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=MandAutoCritInZ function=ident center-mag=-0.01739738263630221/-0.000000000002400\ 88/1.680671e+009 params=100/2/1e-016/-2/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=90 periodicity=6 mathtolerance=0.05/1 colors=00068P79Q8AR9BSACTBDUCEWDGYEI_GKaIMdKOgMQjO\ SlQTnSPsKOpAKg0GSAPJHTAPY1UeAZkIcqVhuemzqmzfhrTckS\ UaMIQLGLKLPF_PAfU6mXJqaQzmXzqczsjzzqzzxzzpzzhvwaov\ RiuHcu7X63P64H65A6697E87M77U68`58h48p38wzzRmuOmzMm\ zKmzHmzFmzDAmJEiOHeULbZPZdSViWRoZOtTUsNczHczBjz5pz\ 0uz7szEqzLozRnzXlhajhfhgkfgpdfubfgagUahG`i3`i3Ro3H\ uAIsGIqMJo`yhclPe_6ZdDTiJNnQHsWBwaAonAgzGauMWpSQkY\ KfcEai8Xn3SiCQdLP_UOVbNQkMMsLHe_DSmIWiN_fSbcXf_ajX\ fmUenQenMenJenFenBen8doEdpKdqQcrWcsactg`mdYgaVaZSV\ WPPTMJQKDNIFLHHKGJIFLHMPJTTL_XNf`PlcRjgTikUgnVfrXd\ vYcyZdyOeyDfy3gq8hjDibIjWMhZOf`PdcRbeS`hTZjVYmWWmX\ TmVPmTUm6amEbmMcmTdm`fmggmfhmfimfkmelmenmepmeqmhrm\ ksmntmqumuzmhzmWzmVzmUzmTzmSzmRzzQzzPzzOzzQzzSzzTz\ zVzzWzzZzzczzhzzmzzrzzvzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz\ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz\ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz } frm:MandAutoCritInZ {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(((-a*b*g*h)^j)+(p4)), k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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Mike Frazier was kind enough to use his Fracton program to...
by Hal Lane 30 Jul '13

30 Jul '13

Mike Frazier was kind enough to use his Fracton program to calculate a version of Jim's FOTD for July 22, 2013 using arbitrary precision and 5x5 anti-aliasing: http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/2013/F130722M.jpg My 4x4 anti-aliased version that still had precision loss in Fractint is here: http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/2013/F130722J.jpg Thanks, Mike! - Hal Lane ######################## # hallane(a)earthlink.net ########################

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FOTD 29-07-13 (Eastern Confusion [A-7,M-8])
by Jim Muth 30 Jul '13

30 Jul '13

FOTD -- July 29, 2013 (Rating A-7,M-8) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The iterated expression behind today's image is one of the most unusual of all time. To create the parent fractal I added an infinitesimal 0.0000000000000001 part of Z^(-2) to a whopping 100 parts of Z^2. This unlikely combination produces a parent Mandelbrot set so tiny that it appears as little more than a dot at the center of the screen. The magnitude of today's image is over 10^14, and still has a little way to go before breakdown appears. This does not mean I have found a way to increase the limit of definition. What has happened is that the 100 parts of Z^2 have shifted the decimal point two places to the left, and we are simply getting greater magnification of a smaller parent fractal. The tiny parent M-set appears pretty much normal until we venture into its more extreme depths, where strange things, including anti-bifurcation begin to appear. Today's image lies in the East Valley area of the parent, though only a few signs of East Valley elements are in the scene. The name "Eastern Confusion" refers to the unexpected details in the image. The art rating of 7 indicates that the image is worth a look. The math rating of an 8 indicates that in this image we might be on the verge of something quite new. Only time and investigation will tell. The calculation time of 1-3/4 minutes will pass in a flash. The flash may be avoided by viewing the image on one of the web sites. The finished image is posted at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> A hi-def version is posted at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> 16 years of back images are posted at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> And in the next FOTD, a new FOTD web site may be added. The weather was near perfect here at Fractal Central today, with photoshop blue skies, puffy cottonball clouds, low humidity and a temperature of 79F 26C. Both the fractal cat and humans had a good day, though FL was a bit cranky around the edges at times. The next FOTD will be posted in the proper time. Until whenever that might be, take care, and may the aliens from outer space show themselves. Jim Muth jimmuth(a)earthlink.net START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Eastern_Confusion { ; time=0:01:45.00 SF5 at 2000MHZ reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=MandAutoCritInZ function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-0.01739734355439775/+0.000000024567652\ 58/1.103568e+014/1/-172.5/0 params=100/2/1e-016/-2\ /0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=138 periodicity=6 mathtolerance=0.05/1 colors=00068P79Q8AR9BSACTBDUCEWDGYEI_GKaIMdKOgMQjO\ SlQTnSPsKOpAKg0GSAPJHTAPY1UeAZkIcqVhuemzqmzfhrTckS\ UaMIQLGLKLPF_PAfU6mXJqaQzmXzqczsjzzqzzxzzpzzhvwaov\ RiuHcu7X63P64H65A6697E87M77U68`58h48p38wTvRPuOLtMH\ sKDrH9qF6qDAmJEiOHeULbZPZdSViWRoZOtTUsN_sHdsBjr5pr\ 0ur7soEqmLokRniXlhajhfhgkfgpdfubfgagUahG`i3`i3Ro3H\ uAIsGIqMJo`yhclPe_6ZdDTiJNnQHsWBwaAonAgzGauMWpSQkY\ KfcEai8Xn3SiCQdLP_UOVbNQkMMsLHe_DSmIWiN_fSbcXf_ajX\ fmUenQenMenJenFenBen8doEdpKdqQcrWcsactg`mdYgaVaZSV\ WPPTMJQKDNIFLHHKGJIFLHMPJTTL_XNf`PlcRjgTikUgnVfrXd\ vYcyZdyOeyDfy3gq8hjDibIjWMhZOf`PdcRbeS`hTZjVXmWVmX\ RmVNmTFm6ImELmMNmTQm`SmgOmfKmfGmfzmezmezmezmezmhzm\ kzmnzmqzmuzmhzmWzmVzmUzmTzmSzmRzmQzmPzmOzmQzmSzmTz\ mVzmWztYzyZzw`zvbzuczzezzfzzhzzizzlzzozzrzzuzzxzzo\ zzgzz_zzTzzMzzLzzLzzLzzLzzTzz`zzhzzozzczzSzzGzzKzz\ OzzSzzWzz_zzczzfzzYzzQzzH } frm:MandAutoCritInZ {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(((-a*b*g*h)^j)+(p4)), k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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FOTD 27-07-13 (Total Obscuration [A-5,M-6])
by Jim Muth 29 Jul '13

29 Jul '13

FOTD -- July 27, 2013 (Rating A-5,M-6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The name of today's image, "Total Obscuration", refers to the parent fractal, not the image itself, which is anything but totally obscured. This parent consists of a group of blobs roughly resembling the shape of the Mandelbrot set that it largely but not quite totally obscures. Today's scene lies at the eastern edge of the largest remaining open area, just north of the X-axis. Perhaps the most incredible thing about the parent fractal is that the infinitesimal 0.000000000000001 part of Z^(-100), when added to 0.5 part of Z^2, could make such a difference. The art rating of 5 and math rating of 6 indicate that very little inspiration or effort were involved in the creation of the image. (I realize that an artist should never belittle his work, but I have never been very big on hubris.) The image will take about 5 minutes to calculate on the average machine. Take it and run the parameter file, or leave it and check one of the web sites. Check the finished image at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> and the hi-def variations at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> Older back images may be seen at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> A partly cloudy, rather warm and muggy day with a temperature of 84F 29C was interrupted in the afternoon by a heavy thunder shower that dropped 1-1/4 inches, or 3.2cm of rain in 15 minutes. The fractal cat watched the rain with interest, then took a nap with even more interest. The fractal humans got into a discussion about conspiracy theories, some of which just might be true despite making no sense at all. The next FOTD will be posted when I get a round tuit. Until I find the tuit, take care, and if aliens are flitting around in our skies at will, breaking all kinds of physical laws, why does it seem so irrational to believe in them? Jim Muth jimmuth(a)earthlink.net START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Total_Obscuration { ; time=0:05:15.00 SF5 at 2000MHZ reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=MandAutoCritInZ function=ident center-mag=-1.022651114713766/+0.04055793961440786\ /2.253e+011/1/90/0 params=1e-015/-100/0.5/2/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=1800 inside=0 logmap=136 periodicity=6 mathtolerance=0.05/1 colors=000GgjIefJdbKc_LbWMaSN`POZLPYHQXERWASV6TU3W\ T8YSD_RIaQMdPRfOWhN`jMdmLioKnqJssJwrOxrTxrXyrayqfy\ qjzqozqszjptdnnYkiSicMgYFdT9bN3`I7YOAVUES_HPeLMkOJ\ pRLmTNkWPhYRf`TdbVaeX_gZYi`VlbTndQqfOshMvjJxlHzmFj\ XOWHXH1eG6dFAdFEcEIcDNbDRbCVaCZaGXaKVaNTaRRaUPaYOa\ aMadKahIakGaoEarDaiGa`IaZKcYLdXMeWNfVOgUPhTQiRSkQT\ lPUmOVjNWgMUdPSaRQZUOWZMTcKQaINWGPRE_LAjG7tJBrMFqP\ JoRMnUQlXUk_Yja`hddgghejldloceVQZADXGEWLENGeNGfNHg\ NHhNIjNIkNJlNJmNKnNKoNLpNLrNMsNMtNNuNNvNOwLQzNOxON\ vPMtQLsRKqTJoUInVHlWGjXFiZEg_De`CcaBbbA`d9Ze8Yf7Wg\ 6Uf4Wh5Ti5Rj5Pk6Nl6Lm6Jn6Ho7Fp7Dq7Br79q99qA9qB9qD9\ qE9pF9pH9pI9pJ9pL9oM9oN9oP9oQ9oR9nT9nU9nV9nX9nY9mZ\ 9m_9ma9mb9mc9le9lf9lg9li9lj9kk9km9kn9ko9kq9jr9js9j\ u9jv9jw9kz7jz9izBhzDgzFfzHezIdzKdzMczObzQazS`zT_zV\ ZzXYzZYz`XzbWzcVzeUzgTziSzkRzmSzoRznRznRznRznRznRz\ nRznRznRznRznRznRznRznRzn } frm:MandAutoCritInZ {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(((-a*b*g*h)^j)+(p4)), k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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FOTD
by Brian Prentice 29 Jul '13

29 Jul '13

Jim, this is my favorite site for viewing your fractal images: http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/fractals/fotd/about.html It generates images automatically from your parameter files posted to this list. Unfortunately the parameters for July 14th and July 27th have not yet been posted. Brian Prentice

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FOTD 26-07-13 (Flowers in the Summer [A-8,M-7])
by Jim Muth 27 Jul '13

27 Jul '13

FOTD -- July 26, 2013 (Rating A-8,M-7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image takes us into the parent fractal that appears when 0.2 part of Z^3 is subtracted from 0.8 part of Z^2. This parent resembles a Mandelbrot set rotated 180 degrees, with additional elements popping up along both ends of the X-axis. Today's image lies in the East Valley area of a three-lobed minibrot on the negative X-axis of the parent. The name "Flowers in the Summer" came to mind when I glanced out the window at FL's garden, which is near its peak, and then turned back to the image. The artistic value of 8 is mostly due to the coloring, which was achieved with a random strike of the 'enter' key. The math value of only a 7 indicates that nothing really new lies in either the parent or the actual image. The calculation time of under 1-1/2 minutes is just a little on the slow side, but this delay may be avoided by checking the image on one of the web sites. The finished image is posted at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> A hi-def version is at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> Back images are at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> Today was probably the finest day of the summer here at Fractal Central, with Photoshop blue skies decorated with cottonpuff clouds, a temperature of 82F 28C and low humidity with gentle breezes. The fractal cat managed to find a spot of afternoon sun, where he passed the afternoon in total comfort. The humans made it through the day without incident. The next FOTD will be posted before too long. Until whenever, take care, and pay no attention to that man on the screen. Jim Muth jimmuth(a)earthlink.net START PARAMETER FILE======================================= FlowersInTheSummer { ; time=0:01:25.00 SF5 at 2000MHZ reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=MandAutoCritInZ function=ident float=y center-mag=-1.865678884094914/-0.00256198152809934\ /6.4199e+008/1/-147.5/0 params=0.8/2/-0.2/3/0/0/0/0 maxiter=1500 inside=0 logmap=166 periodicity=6 colors=000LXULWRJVOITLFRIDNFAJC7E95C6283000xe0lX0a\ O0VK0PG0JC0C80640TICOFAaP_gNUmLNsJHyHBrTFldJfoM_kR\ ThWMe`Fbe8_i6ag5bf3dd2bc1ZX1UU1NQ1HK0AD000DgX6MGDt\ k8aW4JG2bX1WR1QM1JG0DB065SWgILT9AEKCCA66SiuLYfENT7\ BESpSIZI9H9x9kp7eh6_a5UU4OM3IF2CzVWzKUkEFaBCT89J56\ 9233CH29C168034NZ2s_rlVkeRdZMYSIRLDKE9D746ByI9nF7d\ C5V93K61A3CnSAeN8YI6PE4H9284mMGPB8R5BbD2YB1T91O81J\ 61E40930410O22K11G11C11800400WLISIFOFDKDBGA9C76854\ 422aimU_cMRUFIK79AyA`d6OK3CJjeGc_DXUAQO8KI5DC266wa\ UcPKKCA2Vg1KT0AE9e17Z06S04L03E0170lVdOFKAZ98U77Q66\ L55H43D3282141tr`SRI1_Q0SK0LF0EA075Zx1Nc0BK0_LZOEN\ C7Bl6le5e_4_U3UO3OI2IC1C606K6cDMMcGGcBBc55w8gcc3cK\ 1cHFmEDmCBmA9m87m65m43m21mgamaX3US3UN2UJ1cE1c90c4E\ cAAc77m53m22mY1mP1zH0z8kzO4z3zz2zz2zz1zz1zz0zz7zzb\ zzJzzfzz`zzWzzQzzLzzGzzAzz5zz8zz4zz3zz1zzkzz0zz0zz\ 0zz0zz0zz0zz0zzKzzFzzAzz5 } frm:MandAutoCritInZ {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(((-a*b*g*h)^j)+(p4)), k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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FOTD 22-07-13 (Tripled Solutions [A-6,M-6])
by Jim Muth 25 Jul '13

25 Jul '13

FOTD -- July 22, 2013 (Rating A-6,M-6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: The FOTD's appear to be fewer in number as well as lesser in quality lately. The reason is that my energy has in the past few years been turning more and more to the politicial and social stupidities of the world, a topic most certainly not appropriate for a fractal forum. Today's fractal lies in a minibrot on the main spike of the large minibrot on the main spike of the parent Mandelbrot set, which is obviously infected in its depths with Z^3 energies. The name "Tripled Solutions" sounds good. It means nothing. The art and math ratings of a 6 promise little. The image delivers possibly a bit more than is promised. The calculation time of 1-3/4 minutes is reasonable. The already-calculated image is available at: <http://www.crosscanpuzzles.com/Archives.html> with hi-def variations at: <http://www.emarketingiseasy.com/TESTS/FOTD/jim_muths_fotd.html> and the back images at: <http://www.Nahee.com/FOTD/> Warm, humid and occasionally showery conditions prevailed here at Fractal Central today, making for an unremarkable day. The fractal cat stretched on the floor while the humans tended to the human things. The next FOTD will be posted whenever I feel like it. Until that time arrives, take care, and be willing to talk. Jim Muth jimmuth(a)earthlink.net START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Tripled_Solutions { ; time=0:01:45.00 SF5 at 2000MHZ reset=2004 type=formula formulafile=basicer.frm formulaname=FinDivBrot-2 function=recip float=y center-mag=-1.783136623913639/0/1.732154e+013/1\ /-90/0 params=3/1000/0/0 maxiter=2700 inside=0 logmap=156 periodicity=6 mathtolerance=0.05/1 colors=00000R00O00M00J00H10I21J32K42K52L63M73N83N9\ 4OA4PB5QB5QC5RC6SD6TD6TC7RC8QB9PB9OAANABM9CL9CKADN\ ADPADSAEUBEWBEZBF`BFcCFeCGgCGjCGlCGnBIoAJp9Lq8Mq8O\ r7Ps6Qs5St4Tu4Vv3Wv2Yw1Zx1_x2aw2bv2cu3dt3es3fr3grJ\ kiZn`Wo_UoZcpYcpXcpXcqWmqVmrUmrTmrTzszzszztzrtzmtP\ hsQcrRcrScqTZpUZpVZn_Ulcajgihkqfoxesvcotalr_ipZfoX\ cmV`kUYiSVhQSfPPdNMbLJaKG_PMZURXZWWc`UheTmjRroQwtO\ xpMxlKxiIxeGxaExZCxVAxS8xO6xK4xH2xD0xA5tEMYCLXDKVE\ JTEJSFIQGHPGGNHFLIEKIDIJDHKCFKBDLACM9AM89N77O76O98\ MBALDCJFEIHFHJHFKJEMLCOMBQOASQ8US7UV4VT6VR8WQAWOCW\ MEXLGXJIXHKYGMYEOYCQZBSZ9UX9VZ8W`7Wz7Xc6Xz6Xf5Yz5Y\ i4Yz4Zl3Zz3Zo2_z2_r1_z1`z0`v0`zBdzLhmVlzdpiouhntgm\ tflseksdjsdirchrbgrafq`eq_dp_cpZbpYaoX`oW_oVZnVYnU\ XmTWmSVmRUlQTlNSoQTlSTiUUgWUdZUb`V_bVYdVVgWSiWQkXN\ mXLpXIrYGtYDwX8vYBvYDvYFvYHvYJvYLvYNvZPvZRvZTvZVuZ\ YuZ_uZau_cu_eu_gu_iu_ku_m } frm:FinDivBrot-2 { ; Jim Muth z=(0,0), c=pixel, a=-(real(p1)-2), esc=(real(p2)+16), b=imag(p1): z=(b)*(z*z*fn1(z^(a)+b))+c |z| < esc } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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Re: [Fractint] Fractint & VESA - Would someone please confirm (or refute)...
by Timothy Wegner 23 Jul '13

23 Jul '13

David wrote: I think the support or lack of support for VESA video modes is what may > keep Fractint from running at full capacity on some machines even when run > from DOS. But wouldn't you get at least a stock 640x480 mode on almost > anything? > What I recall was that years ago I used additional VESA software like SciTech doctor to fill out VESA support that was was missing in the video board's native support. When experimenting with ways to run Fractint under Windows 7 or 8 recently, I was disappointed that the virtual drivers provided by VirtualBox had such poor VESA support. Just now I checked the VirtualBox Win98 installation I have on my Windows 8 machine, and was surprised that I had installed SciTech Doctor there! But despite that, very few high resolution modes worked properly (not even 640x480x256) , which is probably why I abandoned that setup before I got very far. Why I love DosBox for Fractint tinkering is that all kinds of VESA modes are built in. My Windows has a native resolution of 1920x1200 to match my 24" monitor. VESAINFO reports that 1600x1200x256 is available and it works fine under DOSBox. I think one could even be running the host operating system with lower resolution than 1600x1200 and you could still create 1600x1200 images. The expert, of course, is Tim. Thanks, but this I doubt! I intend to resume experiments with environments for running Fractint. And I also am rescuing an old development environment I have not used in a very long time. Tim BTW I finally corrected my Gmail "fractint" filter, and was chagrined to notice that Jim Muth hadn't posted in a week. I hope all is well with Jim. I will see replies in the mailing list better now.

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