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FOTD 08-03-03 (Classic Mandelbrot [5])
by Jim Muth 09 Mar '03

09 Mar '03

FOTD -- March 08, 2003 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image takes us back to perhaps the most familiar of all fractal areas -- Seahorse Valley of the classic Mandelbrot Set. This is the first area of the first fractal I investigated when I loaded my first fractal-generating program those many years ago, and the area still holds undiscovered surprises. Today's image illustrates a second-order midget that lies in the suburbs of a larger midget that lies fairly deep in the eastern shore of the north branch of Seahorse Valley. The parent midget quite closely resembles the midget in the image, though, being of a much lesser magnitude, the surrounding pattern is packed closer to the midget itself. I named the image "Classic Mandelbrot" for obvious reasons. Since it is part of such a familiar area, I could rate the picture no higher than an average 5. The render time of almost 4 hours, (at least on my machine), makes a download of the finished GIF image almost compulsory. The download may be found on Paul's web site at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and on Scott's site at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The FOTD-CD is moving slowly toward completion. (I do realize I have said this before!) The slowness is caused by the fact that for every problem I fix, I find a new problem that needs fixing. The problem I'm currently working on was created when I altered formulas without changing their names, which causes parameter files to go to the wrong version of the formula and come up blank. When I solve this problem, I can begin changing the cryptic names of the GIF image files to names that corres- pond to the dates of the discussion. Hopefully, when this is done, I will make the big announcement. With a high remperature of 35F 1.5C, the fractal weather Friday was too chilly for the cats' paws. Also, the ground is still snow-covered. As a result, the duo spent the afternoon indoors, impatiently waiting for spring to arrive. But today (Saturday) was warmer, and the duo endured their wet cold paws as they spent a half hour checking their territory in the 50F 10C air temperature. I spent the day working and trying to iron out the problems in the FOTD CD. But Sunday I'm going to take a break, and forget work and fractals until Monday. Until next Saturday, when the next FOTD will appear, take care, and anything worth having is worth waiting for -- especially a few thousand fractals. Jim Muth jamth(a)mindspring.com jimmuth(a)aol.com START PARAMETER FILE======================================= Classic_Mandelbrot { ; time=3:57:10.20--SF5 on a P200 reset=2002 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=-0.74963267010048157994/0.0428524754544\ 0457101/1.854429e+015/1/-14.9995309297261645/0.002\ 6741626797626844 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=32000 inside=0 logmap=3037 periodicity=10 colors=0001KQ2KQ2KQ3KQ3KQ4KQ4KQ5KQ5KQ9KMDKJHKGLKDP\ KATK7XE4ZH8_KBaNEbPHdSKeVNgYQh_TjbXke_mhbnjepmhqok\ snntlqrjpphoofnmdmlblj_kiWjgTjePidLhbIgaEf_AeZ7dX3\ cW0cXAdYFeZKf_Pg`UhaZibcjbhk`ml_nmYonWpoVqpTrqRrrQ\ psOnrMlpLjnJhlHfjGdhEbfC`dBZb9X`7VZ6TX4RV2PT1OR3PQ\ 4QP5QO6RN8RM9SLASKBTJCUIEUHFVGGVFHWEJWDKXCLYBMYANZ\ 9PZ8Q_7R_6S`5T`5UZ8VXBVVDWUGXSJXQLYOOZNRZLT_JW_IY`\ KXaLXbMXcNXdPXeQXfRXgSXhTXhVWiWWjXWkYWlZWm`WnaWobW\ pcWpdWkaYgZ_bW`ZUbURcQOeMMfNOgOPhORiPSjPTkQVlQWmRX\ nRZoS_oSapTbqTcrUesUftVguVivWjwWkwVlsVmpVnmUnjUogU\ pdTqaTqYTrVSsSStPStMRuJRvGRvDSsCSqCUoCZmCckChjCmkC\ rlCwmBznBwoBrpBmqBhrBcsBZtBUuNPvYKtZFs_Fr`JqaNpbRn\ bVmcZldbkefjfjifkkellemmenneooeppeqqdrrdssdttduudu\ vdpxWkyNfzEgzHgzJgzMgzOgzQgzTgzVgzXgz_gzagzdgzfgzh\ gzkgzmgzogzrgztgzvezucztbzs`zr_zqYzpXzoWzlWzjWzhWz\ fVzdVzbVz_MzKFzM7zO0zQ1zQ } END PARAMETER FILE=========================================

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OT: Request for Book on Bitmap Graphics
by Bill Jemison 08 Mar '03

08 Mar '03

Painter is a Corel product (still). They recently that Painter8 will be out later this year. Bill

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Off topic posts
by Harold Lane 08 Mar '03

08 Mar '03

################################################### Jim, You posted off topic and now all of us are reaping the rewards. Please be more sensitive to this. You have indicated you would do so in your previous posts. Thank you - Hal Lane Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > > . . . > > The foolish headlong > >rush into war by certain powerful leaders is a > >not-so-trivial example of a lesson that may not be > >learned until it is too late. > >Jim M. --__--__-- >I entirely agree, and suggest a solution. There's another piece of = >unfinished business out there, dating from the Reagan era, which was = >labelled a National Security threat. The 1983 invasion of Grenada< > . . . >John W. ################################################### Here is another unrelated instance of off topic posting that should have been sent as a private email: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 > > . . . > > Nobody can go to a war is he/she is only > >half-convinced of what he/she is doing. The americans should be sure to > >have many friends in Germany. Independent of a government's decisions. > > . . . > >AND SORRY FOR BEING TOTALLY OFF TOPIC :-/ >No problem at all, Micheal... >David It is a problem, David, Michael. - Hal Lane ###################################################

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Re: [Fractint] Off topic posts
by Jim Muth 08 Mar '03

08 Mar '03

At 05:11 AM 3/8/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Jim, You posted off topic . . . Perhaps . . . but if existence itself is fractal in nature, as the original letter in the thread speculated, it would be impossible for anything to be off-topic. Hovever, I agree that this is the wrong place to discuss politics, be the topic fractal in nature or not. (Next FOTD coming in about 16 hours) Jim M.

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digitale Panoramafotos
by JoWeber 08 Mar '03

08 Mar '03

Hi, I added a new section to my website with digital panoramaphotos - inspired from those on the site of Les St. Clair. http://www.joweber.de Enjoy --Jochen Weber--

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Re: [Fractint] I discovered a great site for adults:
by Jim Muth 08 Mar '03

08 Mar '03

At 05:14 PM 3/7/03 +0000, Betty Trimbo wrote: >Hi, >I was surfing and discovered a great site for Adults: >http://www.HappyHug.com Does the site have adult fractals on it? ;-) Jim M.

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I discovered a great site for adults: http://www.HappyHug.com
by Betty Trimbo 07 Mar '03

07 Mar '03

Hi, I was surfing and discovered a great site for Adults: http://www.HappyHug.com This is a new site for adults. They are operating since 9 december 2002. It looks good to me!! Betty _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [Fractint] OT: Request for Book on Bitmap Graphics
by gnome＠hawaii.rr.com 07 Mar '03

07 Mar '03

>Am Dienstag, den 04. März 2003, um 15:16h schrieb gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com: > >> >Am Montag, den 03. März 2003, um 23:44h schrieb Mike Traynor: >> >> a professional commercial artist making a very late transition to computer? >> >As 'traditional' artist he is probably an experienced sketcher. So software >> >like Adobe Photoshop >> >> Forget Photoshop. Get Painter 7. That's the tool for 'traditional' artists. >> Photoshop's a tool for prepress imaging production staff and collage workers, >> not for artists. > >I'm not an artist and I don't know "Painter 7" >is it 'Fractal Painter'? >Does it still exist? (Didn't the Corel monster swallow it?) Still exists. Corel bought it, brought out the excellent v7, then sold it (and the other Fractal Creations products) to Metacreations, IIRC. >so you are probably right... > >although collages are a significant are of computer arts (imho). >Also these amazing (Macromedia) Flash animations and website design in >general is (a new kind of art impossible without computers). Basic animations don't require computers - Disney's been doing animation without computers since the 1920's. But *interactive* animation and such realistically requires computers ... >> >and a sketching tablet (like those from Wacom) >> *Only* those from Wacom. The rest are clunky junk by comparison. (Warning: I've >> been using Wacom tablets for 8 years now.) > >are you just using them together with Windows software? >I've seen them working perfectly under Gimp (Unix/Linux >Photoshop-like software - inexpensive alternative) I know they work with The GIMP (I use it on my Linux box at home). It's free, BTW. I just don't have a graphics tablet set up on the Linux box. >> >are >> >suitable for a painless transition. There are many tutorials on >> >Photoshop on the Internet - a book on Photoshop will also be helpful. >> >> Several books and video tapes and online tutorials will be helpful with Photoshop. >> It has the worst user interface in the graphics business. ;-) > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" >You can't see the Image anymore because all of these toolbars and boxes? ;-) That's part of it. Very cluttered. And too many times you have to change settings at several different places to get the results you want, and sometimes finding those places is very difficult. >> >regards from Germany... >> And how is life in Germany right now? > >here it bursts out of me: > >Many of our politicians (throughout all paries) are populistic flops. >And Media seems to influence politics in a negative way. Really necessary >reforms get spoiled by various lobbies. > >Nearly 5*10^6 (of 82*10^6) people are unemployed. There are more and >more old people and less babies which creates problems with annuities >and social wellfare. > >But justice is consistent and consequential protecting human rights: >Policemen are judged (who threatened a hijacker with torture until he >told where he hid the child - he had already killed). Not to >misunderstand me: As long as justice stands this hard test, everything >is ok. > >but after all life is not too bad ;-) > >And to topic No. 1: >Very few Germans are patriots (in the sense of the American patriotism >sensed here - which worries many Germans) and religious fundamentalists >have no politic influence. Consequently the German foreign politics >sould be more unemotional and logic - but it is not. I think 'Peace' is >the correct answer but not the logic consequence of German foreign politics >(without American/international pressure there wouldn't be any disarming >inspectors and no disarmament). > >If your government thinks it can just replace the dictator it is probably >wrong (but maybe I am wrong, too) (IMO the situtation 1945 in Germany was >totally different). Yes, Hitler was actively attaching and annexing other countries. When Mr Hussein tried it (in Kuwait) the UN and US stepped forward and stopped it. I think a better word for "patriot" would be "nationalist." >Fundamentalistic religious idiots in these countries >see an upcoming crusade, imperial colonialism, ... and their braindead >answer is more fundamentalism, 'Djihad' and violence (see Israel and the >islamic terrorism). Yes, the problem is in many places ... >These countries missed the (historic) Enlightment. Hmm, one could argue that the Enlightenment didn't really change people. It increased the variety of ideas and technologies available, and made some social changes, but people were still eager to rush to war, use the new technologies for war, and (in a sense) it opened the door for changes like the Industrial "Revolution" which primarily led to a lot of social upheaval and mistreatment of individuals and laid the groundwork for the phenomena of modern war, as shown in the two World Wars ... >The people are poor >and feel cheated when they look at the "first class world". The >gonvernments are underdeveloped. But it's up the inhabitants to choose >their government and it's up to us to help them - but not with the "wooden >hammer method" - with education for example (and not with German machine >parts for weapon factories). Catching terrorists is like prescribing a >medicie against headache when the patient needs an antibiotic - it >medicates the symptoms and the patient feels better for a short time >while his situation gets worse. I hope this doesn't sound too arrogant. > >And please don't think the Germans are "anti-americanistic". This is >nonsense. Many Germans agree with the american war plans - perhaps more >don't - including me. But I don't feel anti-americanistic because of >that. An American's situation is - IMHO - more difficult: He/she has to >reason and to justify if and why he/she or one of his/her relatives is >going to war. Patriotism probably helps (while religion is not very >helpful ... even if your president tries to polish this by talking of >"god's own country"). Nobody can go to a war is he/she is only >half-convinced of what he/she is doing. The americans should be sure to >have many friends in Germany. Independent of a government's decisions. > >sorry for my stumble-english ... >AND SORRY FOR BEING TOTALLY OFF TOPIC :-/ No problem at all, Micheal. I wish I had time to respond to the rest of your note, but gotta go out the door right now! David gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com

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New list software coming
by Tim Wegner 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

Just a heads up that xmission is upgrading this list's software to the latest version of mailman. This may happen this weekend. I'm alerting you just in case there are any problems. After the change you may want to check your user settings on the user admin web page (in case you didn't know, you have a lot of ability to tweak the your list membership). There may be some new settings. Normally list management is OFF topic, but I don't mind discussing it for a few days through this transition. I'll alert everybody after the change. Tim Fractint List Administrator

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Re: [Fractint] History
by Jim Muth 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

At 09:46 AM 3/6/03 -0800, John Wilson wrote: > >All you have to do is seize the moment, and you can >benefit. Go forth and purchase a pump for that >basement of yours, and install it. Then one of >those harsh lessons [of life] will have borne >fruit! :-) A trivial problem that leads to a trivial example of learning from experience. The foolish headlong rush into war by certain powerful leaders is a not-so-trivial example of a lesson that may not be learned until it is too late. Jim M.

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