Rich wrote:

How did spam make it through?

Probably by the most obvious... joining the group. ;-} Wonder if they went through the whole list of available groups under the following: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ Later, P.N.L. ------------------------------------------------- http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/

Is spam software now joining groups, sending back the confirmation message, sending the spam, and then unsubscribing?

Yes, except not unsubscribing. I unsubscribed the spam email by hand.

If the spammers have gotten this sophisticated, then I think the subscription policy should be changed to require approval of new subscriptions.

I agree, except that I see no need to panic because ONE spam message got through in the last year or two of the list. But if I did approve subscriptions, how would I know an email was a spam email? The only way would be for me to sent an email that required a human response. They are discussing this on the xmission list admin list. Apparently many lists at xmission were spammed. However one list admin said that his list is not published, and he did not get the spam. I could do the same. That would mean that if you go to mailman.xmission.com you would not see our lists mentioned. There is probably little harm in this, because I would think virtually all list members come from one of the fractint websites, not from browsing xmission's lists. Tim

Re: [Fractdev] I discovered a great site for adults:http://www.HappyHug.com Tim wrote:

would not see our lists mentioned. There is probably little harm in this, because I would think virtually all list members come from one of the fractint websites, not from browsing xmission's lists.

Tim

er.. i would not get here without browsing xmission... information about this list is somewhat messed at various fractint sites or at the fractint's internal documentation.. (but.. wouldn't it be better if i didn't get here at all?? ;o) charlie ______________________________________________________________________ Reklama: Zahraj si online hry a vyhraj Nokia 3650 a dalších 99 cen. http://ad2.seznam.cz/redir.cgi?instance=43806%26url=http://www.razdva.cz/~se...

Re: [Fractdev] Charlie Jonathan wrote:

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(but.. wouldn't it be better if i didn't get here at all?? ;o)

No! We are pretty close to having it running correctly, although I don't believe my latest try will work.

Jonathan

dear Jonathan, although i'm sure that you know it was just a joke, it warms one's heart anyway :o) i'm just helpless and hopeless about how long it takes and still not running.. i'm considering looking for the Tim's videocard somewhere around to test the things directly.. not "by-the-phone"..

..some useful code that I've needed for a number of years..

but now, it has come quite late.. charlie ______________________________________________________________________ Reklama: Anděl 2002-12.udílení výročních cen APH. 20.března 2003 od 19.30 v T-Mobile Aréně a od 20.00 na TV Nova. http://www.aph.cz

Re: [Fractdev] spam Tim wrote:

Just so I understand, do you mean you found us because you were already familiar with xmission and found us in the list of mail groups at mailman.xmission.com? If so I'm surprised but glad to know. I would have thought that people found us through the various web pages. (If the instructions are out of date we need to update them. Perhaps some still refer to majordomo@xmission.comn.)

no, i know fractint for a few years now, and i knew there is a list for it, but when i decided to join in, i've had hard time a bit.. figuring out the right address amongst those that can be found.. and, from time to time, when i wan't to see the archive without looking for the direct link, then i browse xmission.. but that's not a reason serious enough.. charlie ______________________________________________________________________ Reklama: J.Nicholson v nove horke komedii O Schmidtovi. Vice na http://www.ddpromotion.cz/czech/filmy/about.htm