Given that the only things I've been seeing on this list are duplicate postings of Jim Muth's FOTDs, I've just unsubscribed. When there is a new beta, I'd appreciate it if someone else would forward the message to that list, if you think its worthwhile. Given that nothing significant has happened to fractint for a long time, both philofractal and the fractint list seem relatively dead. I imagine that all the activity is happening on lists dedicated to UF or elsewhere. Sci.fractals has also been effectively dead for a long time. I got tired of reminding Roger Bagula that the newsgroup isn't his personal blog and gave up. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>